This bill must be funded by VPN services because anyone who thinks teens won’t figure out a workaround has never tried to stop teens from anything. Disobeying is what they do on an evolutionary level.
Also using sites such as “This Person Doesn’t Exist” to generate am AI pic of a human could be used for profile pics.
You can make an instagram account fine with bing dall-e too.
Good, the kids could use the tech experience
spot-on observation. always follow the money
Banning Social Media FOR KIDS. Is just a quick means to spy on what ADULTS are getting up to on the Internet. Right now if you don’t want to ID yourself to go see cat pics/videos on Instagram/TikTok, you can just sign up for an account and go searching for cat pics/videos. With this bill, if you want to go find cat pics/videos on Instagram/TikTok in the state of Florida, you’ll have to submit a government ID to verify that you’re not a kid, and I’d believe for about as long as I can breathe water that the linking of my real identity/government ID with a social media account will have no negative real world outcomes.
Cybersecurity is something that almost nobody takes seriously. I used to say that nobody takes it seriously until they’re hurt by their poor cyber hygiene, but these days the insurance policies pay the same either way so companies/people still do the bare minimum and call it a day.
I’d much rather pay a VPN provider to be out of that jurisdiction than ever give anyone anything that concretely ties my online persona to my actual identity and it’s just incredible that lawmakers so fundamentally misunderstand how this all works that they don’t know it’s that easy.
Is this based on a gov ID? I didn’t see that in the article.
How else do you think they’d do age verification? It’s the same way they do it for porn sites, you upload you DL/passport/ID to verify your age. The difference here is that now these
data brokersocial media companies now have a hard link to your identity instead of a pretty strong inference, and are able to shore up their advertising profiles in an unprecedented way.
Also trains the next generation to think these kinds of privacy violations are ok, when they are not.
Sounds totally enforceable!
This is very obviously unenforceable
At least not without major violations to privacy.
It’s a feature
Yep. It’s a direct violation of freedom of speech fair one thing.
That’ll end well…
The smarter kids will just go in and change their bday or create a new account that has them old enough. The only way to prevent that is to make them verify ID on every single person logging in from a Florida based ip or is a resident. But, what about those who are traveling from other states, should they also be forced to upload ID? I’m going to say no.
NOBODY should have to to upload any sort of ID to use the internet. The issue began when corporations started getting involved. Fuck Ajit Pai, Ethan Zuckerman and the political world all tied to this. Amazon is trying to force people to upload ID for refunds… pathetic.
Oh I wholly agree. The point of that was to illustrate what you have to do to enforce it properly. It’s the same as trying to force porn sites to ID their users.
As for Amazon, I have not heard anything about this and I recently did a couple of returns with no request for my license. Also, you may not be aware but stores like home depot already require ID to return items and they (with the help of a 3rd party) keep a credit file of sorts on you and uses that determine who has been abusing the return process.
If it’s illegal in the state for residents then it will be illegal for those traveling too
I’m not sure you follow. I’m postulating whether or not say facebook would have to lock someones account and force them to upload ID because they happened to have browsed it while inside the state. This would not be looked upon kindly by other states.
They would force ID check from anyone accessing from inside Florida. Once they left Florida they could access freely. A 16 yr old from Georgia on spring breakin Florida would have to age verify until they went home, at which point the verification would no longer be required.
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None of that is how this works. Forcing companies like fb that I wouldn’t trust with a recipe to store (even temporarily) copies of peoples ID or other documents is not the same as having a store eyeball an ID or in the case of some places swipe or scan the ID card to verify that’s its legit.
I don’t disagree about certain versions of social media coupled with the angst and issues with being a kid not being healthy and I’ve kept my use to a min even going so far as deleting my fb years ago. That said, these type of laws do nothing but the opposite of their intentions.
What we need is all kids sitting through a class about the good and bad about social media and teaching them how to be safe and smart when interacting online.
I’d suggest you think through what can and will happen when random support people have access to peoples IDs. Hint, they won’t be sending them cookies.
Seriously. This kind of thing doesn’t work online unless you go the China route and if you want that, you can kindly move to a country already doing it and let’s keep some semblance of common sense here.
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what a fucking dogshit state. not that social media is good for anyone, but restricting kids from one of their main forms of communication / news / outlet to the world is just designed to be obnoxious.
even best case scenario, active malice aside, these people somehow have zero memory of what it was like to be a kid; having to wake up for school at 6am and do endless homework for no material benefit, and now this
Question: How old are you?
Social media wasn’t known until I was 16(?) and I’m a millennial. So no these people did not grow up with social media as most politicians are older than me.
It’s insane you think kids today need social media like they need exercise, fun and oxygen.
I would suggest that it didn’t happen in its most well known form until we were older (MySpace launched just after I graduated high school), but it did exist. Communities and message boards were a thing before MySpace and Facebook.
Kids today do need a sense of community. And we have enshittified the outside so much that they aren’t likely to get that spending time in public. How far will this spread? Social media isn’t just Instagram, or xitter, or the like. It’s also things like steam, or video game forums, or anything with a chat feature. Kids make meaningful connections with others this way. Not all social media is bad.
How many afterschool clubs still exist? How many group activities are catered around school (but not school) these days that aren’t sports? Where is the place that is for kids in our communities?
For once Florida is doing something good.
At least it would be if they weren’t simply doing this to prevent kids from becoming more informed.
I’d agree if the ban extended to news articles online.
It doesn’t.
Wow, broken clock and all that.
Well, it’s about 15 years too late, but I guess better to have this discussion now than never.
What is Gaetz going to do?
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Nothing will change. The adult filters didn’t work 30+ years ago and they don’t work now.
I see at least 2 ways around this depending on how it’s implemented.
- Either update age info to be “old enough”
Or
- Use a vpn that has you accessing it from anywhere but Florida.
This is just one more waste of time that will be struck down by a court assuming it makes into law.
The companies could use geolocation to comply. That’s how the sportsbooks do it anyway.
Please read my comment again. Unless someone is sharing their GPS, all they have to go on is the ip address. This is why a lot of people vpn into other countries to watch things on Netflix that aren’t available where they are.
This also brings up another point. For reasons unknown, sometimes my cell phone ip address comes back as a Florida ip. If I happened to access it via an ip that geolocates to Florida they would have force me to verify my ID to keep using it. That opens them up to potentially having way more verifications to process and a much larger attack surface for identity theft not to mention the millions of people and their representatives that will be extremely pissed off.
I get what you are saying. My point about the sportsbook apps is that they won’t even let you login without allowing location services and verifying you are in a state that allows betting. I was just trying to highlight there are already systems in place to make VPNs a non-starter.
I agree with you on the identity verification. I really don’t trust the sites this bill is aimed at to do any of this right or not have poor security. It’s a big cluster waiting to happen.
That’s more than simple geo location. That’s a whole other ball of wax and it only magnifies how ridiculous this shit is.
He could try dating a little older. 17 for example
Bah they’ll just do it in secret instead of openly.
Ah yes, just what Florida needs: even more closeted everything.
Internet too dangerous. Florida, just ban it entirely, just to be extra safe.
Why don’t they just tax the websites you access? VPNs would go crazy
How?
Waiting to see how these apps do the malicious compliance thing. Because I think that’s probably what’s going to happen.
