The White House said Sunday that “it’s the right time” for Israel to scale back its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, as Israeli leaders again vowed to press ahead with their operation against the territory’s ruling Hamas militant group.

The comments exposed the growing differences between the close allies on the 100th day of the war.

  • @banneryear1868@lemmy.world
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    Biden was hoping this would be one and done, but the longer it goes on the more it threatens the election. Sad that it has to work this way.

    That said the sentiment that, “geez this is really bad for Palestinians Biden’s polling,” that dominates a lot of the US-centric media and political discourse is pretty disgusting. It always seems to be the case that now is always the worst time to act against war in any way.

    • @bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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      Damage already done anyway. Joe “I didn’t ask for a ceasefire” Biden has blood on his hands. A lot of it.

      • @i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de
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        What does Biden’s polling or blood matter? Do we get a choice? The red party candidacy will go to Trump and the blue party is apparently planning to skip the election and keep Biden as president until he inevitably dies of old age because they’ve opted not to hold any debates.

        Voting reform hasn’t happened, so without a miraculous level of coordination and turnout from like-minded voters, Biden being reelected is the best outcome we can hope for. Without a way to ensure a majority of states will vote third party (remember we still have the electoral college with unequal representation and most delegates are able to vote however they want, and many states first count votes by district), voting for a third party candidate is half a vote against your second choice. If you’re in a state where your vote actually matters, you can vote for a third party out of protest or because you really think the third party candidate is better, and then your least favored candidate can win as a result.

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          We need to move beyond voting in this broken system.

          Personally I’m in Florida so my vote really means fuck all anyway since FL is solid red now so I’m going with third party. Claudia de la Cruz with PSL most likely.

          We’re clearly never going to push Dems left by voting for them. The only other possible option for this system is “Move left or you will lose”. This least evil barely different shit is getting old. Beyond that we need to take to the streets.

          • Binthinkin
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            Good luck continuing to provide no benefit to society with your Florida Man ideas.

            We appreciate it!

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                You’d rather have Trump on the throne?

                A vote not cast is a vote in favour of your opposition.

                Sadly, in the two party system of the US, the only effective alternative vote is the one for the lesser of two evils. At least there’s a chance that one will do some things right.

            • @bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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              Huh? Does Biden have a rats chance in hell of even being a little close in Florida? No. So I might as well enjoy pissing into the wind.

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    Time to stop now that it’s all gravel and children skulls

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      Sounds like Khorne’s going to be happy - silver lining! Maybe he can make a tiny little throne?

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    Are they going to stop supplying Israel with weapons for this slaughter, or continue sending weapons while publicly asking Netanyahu if he wouldn’t mind stopping please?

    • @isles@lemmy.world
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      This is where we say “patriot missiles don’t kill people, people kill people” and keep profiteering.

  • @filister@lemmy.world
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    The narrative that only military force would bring the hostages back to Israel started to crack big time. I see Israel is responsible for the death of a lot of hostages and they managed to save 1 of them only?

    And unfortunately even if they manage to oust Netanyahu I am afraid they will elect a government which is even further right and they will more or less screw up any potential for peace in the region.

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    Said Genocide Joe once again. Last time was right before he bypassed Congress to send israel more weapons.

    Guess he’s preparing to bypass Congress once again but first the crocodile tears must flow.

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    Of course they say that - the hostages trapped in Gaza are Israelis and not Americans. Were they Americans then Gaza would have ceased to exist last year.

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        True, Gaza randomly captured a colorful selection of people they could get their hands on without any care of where they are actually from. Anyone from the other side of the border is a valid slave to them.

        • @bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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          No it just so happens that a lot of the settlers over there have dual citizenship because they’re not actually from there, or their parents weren’t.

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          Hmm… This reminds me of a country that kept a strip of people under a blockade, while calculating the calories they need to stay just above starvation level, and then gave permits to the people of the stripe to work like slaves for them.

          Anyways the hostages aren’t slaves there. They’re bargaining chips, and it seems like one side of this conflict doesn’t value them.

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        The majority of the population in Gaza was not born when Hamas “won the election” (which, by the way, was supported by Israel). Then now they have no choice but to “show support” in polls because Hamas is authoritarian. That’s like saying the majority of North Koreans are supportive of Kim Jong Un’s government because the polls say he has a 100% approval rating.

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        Those babies in the hospitals didn’t vote for anyone. Besides, a war crime is a war crime even if the target “deserved” it.

        A whole population doesn’t deserve to be punished for the crimes of some of them. It’s the kind of barbaric evil practised by dictators.

        • Allah
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          then why did they allow them to move south and not just finish them there?

        • @anteaters@feddit.de
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          Gaza has chosen to completely blur the boundaries between combatants, locations used for terrorist attacks and the civilian population. They expected to Israel to just sit on their hands and go “duh, guess we’ll have to accept them kidnapping people and wildly shooting missiles at us.”

          That was a fucking dumb expectation and now everyone there has to pay for it.

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            That was a fucking dumb expectation and now everyone there has to pay for it.

            You might say they are being punished collectively. Like collective punishment. Aka a war crime

          • NoneOfUrBusiness
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            Maybe Israel could… Not starve them. Maybe let them actually have an economy. These things would really help.

            • @anteaters@feddit.de
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              Maybe Israel Hams could… Not starve them. Maybe let them actually have an economy. These things would really help.

              Ungodly amounts of money were pumped into Gaza and all they have to show for it is tunnels for terrorists to hide in, weapons caches in every house and thousands of rockets. Is that supposed to be the “economy” of Gaza?

              Uh… I know your ilk don’t care about the facts, but October 7th was legitimate resistance.

              Also there is no need for you to respond, this outs you as a disgusting creature completely lost to any form of reason.

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                Ungodly amounts of money were pumped into Gaza

                Which doesn’t help when you can’t actually use it to buy things. Israel’s blockade is calculated so it keeps Gaza on the brink of collapse after aid.

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            Where do you expect Palestine to field its conventional army and will Israel allow them to get tanks planes etc shipped in?

            Its a war zone the size of a city, how else are they going to fight here in your mind?

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              Who said anything about tanks and planes? Stop that nonsense. How about wearing some sort of uniform to make them distinguishable from civilians instead of running around in tracksuits hiding weapons? They love to dress up like soldiers for photo ops and parades but when push comes to shove they wear adidas and sneakers.

              They decided to play war dressed as civilians and hide among them - a war crime that expectedly makes civilians into potential targets.

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                Oh so that’s why Israel has leveled city blocks? That’s why they have killed 1 out of 100 of every Palestinian? That’s why the starve them, take away their electricity, aid, and water? The “was crimes” that is just guerilla warfare is puny in comparison to the atrocities that Israel commits on the daily, for the last 70 years.

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                  That’s why they have killed 1 out of 100 of every Palestinian? That’s why the starve them, take away their electricity, aid, and water?

                  That’s on Hamas. They steal all the aid and murder the people living there. They misfire their rockets on their “own” people trying to harm Israel. Go direct your complaints at them - they can stop the war.

                  And I see how you just completely ignore the fact that Hamas war crimes directly lead to the civilian populace becoming a target. Engaging in combat dressed as a civilian is not “guerilla” warfare - even those wear their uniforms to act within the Geneva Conventions. What Hamas does is just plain old terrorism.

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        Uh… I know your ilk don’t care about the facts, but October 7th was legitimate resistance. That’s why it targeted military facilities, and why even after the IDF shot and shelled their own citizens 33% of casualties were military targets. Not denying that too many atrocities were committed, but “October 7th was a terrorist attack” is basically Israeli propaganda at this point.

        But even if that wasn’t the case, stop supporting genocide.

        • kick_out_the_jams
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          “October 7th was a terrorist attack” is basically Israeli propaganda at this point.

          Let me see you try telling that to the folks who were at the music festival.

          • NoneOfUrBusiness
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            I did say I acknowledge and condemn all atrocities that were committed. However, that and the idea that October 7th as a whole was a terrorist attack are different things, because to say October 7th was a terrorist attack is to deny the concrete military goals it had or, alternatively, claim that in addition to these goals it had the goal of killing civilians. The distinction is important because “Hamas soldiers committed atrocities on October 7th” and “October 7th was legitimate resistance” aren’t mutually exclusive, but “October 7th was a terrorist attack” and “October 7th was legitimate resistance” are.

            Also, the IDF killed their fair share of civilians at the festival, so blaming all the casualties on Hamas requires numbers that Israel refuses to release or denies altogether.

        • PugJesus
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          Uh… I know your ilk don’t care about the facts, but October 7th was legitimate resistance.

          Jesus fucking Christ.