Although completely believable and in-line knowing Meta/Facebook’s history, is there any evidence to support this claim? I’m sure it’s, unfortunately, just as easily deployed to specific targets so it may be hard to replicate, but this is pretty huge.
Anyone have any links/sources?
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Found the source post: https://mastodon.social/@protonmail/111699323585240444
and the article: https://gizmodo.com/meet-link-history-facebook-s-new-way-to-track-the-we-1851134018
I dug up this mastodon post and they cited this:
https://gizmodo.com/meet-link-history-facebook-s-new-way-to-track-the-we-1851134018
I’m quite surprised Proton would use Gizmodo as a source. A quote from their articles first paragraph: “[as] Apple and Google beef up privacy”.
I guess they mean all the tech companies try to block each other so that they collect all the data themselves…
Yes, JavaScript injection tests come back with extra code when opened from within instagram.
Some people in this thread are claiming the article doesn’t mention Facebook.
I actually read the article. You’re welcome.
When you click on a link in the Facebook or Instagram apps, the website loads in a special browser built into the app, rather than your phone’s default browser. In 2022, privacy researcher Felix Krause found that Meta injects special “keylogging” JavaScript onto the website you’re visiting that allows the company to monitor everything you type and tap on, including passwords. Other apps including TikTok do the same thing.
Edit: The article Proton got their info from.
Don’t let your bias against Meta overcome critical thinking skills.
As others have mentioned this is just incorrect. I’m no fan of Meta but you are a moron if you think this is happening.
Given this is the top comment it should be pointed out that while Proton was incorrect about this being Meta there is research out about TikTok doing this very thing.
The way you’ve worded your comment makes it seem like this either can’t happen or isn’t happening and that simply isn’t the case.
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No, they’re right. They dropped all the bullshit charges the instant they were given control over DikDok’s servers. It was little more than a power play and because americans are so fucking racist that they don’t even realize how racist they are, they all bought it hook/line/sinker.
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Lol WTF!
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Agreed, and who ever that still uses Facebook in 2024 really needs to get out and meet real ppl and get a life.
Fuck 500 virtual friends. I’ll trade that in a second for 1 real true friend IRL.
but then, you’d have to.
Maybe not keylogging but it’s pretty fucking bad still, it tracks basically everything else about how you navigate when using the integrated browser.
Holy shit, that should be illegal. I say should because I know there’s no way that it currently is.
Microsoft do the same with Windows and as far as I know, they haven’t got fined for it.
To this day I don’t know what or why Google Chrome was using up all the processing power on my laptop while it was installed. As soon as I deleted Chrome, my 12gb laptop ran fine again.
It probably wasn’t keylogging but it was probably not updating itself 24/7 either.
It probably wasn’t keylogging but it was probably not updating itself 24/7 either.
You’d be surprised at how shit Chrome’s autoupdate is.
Do you have a source for that or you just making it up?
Its supposedly to learn typing habits. Heres how you turn it off.
Facebook keylogs anything, even outside of FB in all pages with FB APIs (any page with an FB share button), if you don’t block it with an half a dozen extensions and scripts. For Example with
My main goal on year 2018 was delete facebook. Unfortunately im still using whatsapp just because everyone uses it and i have no other place to talk with my friends and family.
Signal, bro.
To do what exactly? Talk to myself?
I told my friends / family if they wanted to reach me, I’d be on Signal/Molly. Turns out it isn’t that hard to have them download a new app and use it.
Not popular enough. With Whatsapp you get to talk to pretty much everyone, from businesses to second hand sellers to your weird aunt that lives in the middle of the woods.
None of those app is popular enough anyway. You still need sms + Whatsapp + a couple of others. So adding another one is not so much of a burden. Besides, it works just like Whatsapp from a user standpoint, and no password required.
Where I live it sure as fucking hell isn’t the case. Nobody uses SMS anymore, and effectively everyone uses Whatsapp.
I think (do correct if wrong!) the EU has approved an interoperability law for big tech companies? So it should be just a matter of time until you can switch messaging app and still be able to communicate with people on wa and big messaging apps
Ofc if all your friends all use whatsapp zuck will still be able to read all your messages and get your phone number via your contacts… so it’s only a partial solution. Still better than nothing tho.
SMS is still a thing. You need to put your foot down to make it happen.
Edit: May the Monty Python foot squish all downvoters into elderberry jam!
Nobody uses SMS in my country.
It still works though doesn’t it?
But it comes with significant social drawbacks. I’m not sure if that’s really a hill worth dying on.
Social drawback? WTF? People already have the app necessary on their phone and they must get SMS for other things, no?
Not every country has unlimited talk and text as a widely as others. I know my husband’s family uses what’s app because they can always hop on their WiFi or a neighbors and talk to family, but they can’t always afford to top up their minutes. The social drawback isn’t that they’ll look at you funny, it’s that they might literally not be able to communicate with you.
Add in that some of those families also play hot potato with phones, swapping who has what phone almost weekly, something that follows the login and not the phone starts to make sense. I know there are better alternatives to what’s app and don’t defend it, but getting them as a whole to change apps so they can all communicate would mean a lot of work and energy I can say they don’t have these days.
Probably referring to group chats and sharing media.
My point is you need to put your foot down and say “I won’t use WhatsApp. If you want that functionality with me, we can use Signal, but otherwise SMS.”
WhatsApp really doesn’t have any features that aren’t also in Signal, but Signal isn’t owned by Facebook and was never a vector for zero-click access to your device (NSO’s Pegasus toolkit used WhatsApp calls to get at Android phones, this was involved with Saudi Arabia’s execution of Jamal Khashoggi). WhatsApp is simply not trustworthy, and a massive security risk.
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Simple solution: stop using meta products
Not so simple solution, because other people are using meta products and using them on you without telling you about it.
Use firefox, and install the Facebook container extension so that meta cannot read your data on the internet.
Although i still disagree with using facebook at all, and sorta unsure what you mean by “because other people are using meta products and using them on you without telling you about it” (websites using meta based SaaS products maybe), if the facebook container extension is anything like the aws container extension, I bet it’s a pretty good recommendation. Firefox ALWAYS the best recommendation
You’d hope the container would do the trick
Tell that to 99% of Europe where every idiot is using whatsap and the few who don’t are shunned. FML
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One of the greatest evils of capitalism is locking access to society behind a paywall.
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Incorrect. In certain European countries it’s widely used, in others not so much. In the ones where it’s more widespread, I still think 99% is very much exaggerating. Maybe you didn’t mean it literally?
It’s not (a majority of) he users’ fault as WhatsApp was its own company for a long time until they sold to Facebook. I was using WhatsApp long before it became a FB company. Everyone just continued to use it as FB was mostly hands off until they started imposing changes a few years later. But like every other messaging app, once someone is using it forever, it’s hard to move away from it because all their friends and family are using it and have no desire to switch to something else.
If you’re still using the Facebook app in 2024 you deserve everything you get.
dont blame the victim.
Are they still a victim if they’ve been yelled at for close to a decade that these kinds of things are the standard for Facebook/Meta? I’ve tried telling friends and family so damn often but they just don’t care.
It’s like giving someone you pass on the street your ID, walking away and thinking “man, I can’t believe that guy has my ID”. I’m with you if they really don’t know, I’m sure many don’t. But so many know fully well and just don’t care.
If you ask me both are to blame. Meta is only in a position where they get away with this stuff because people are practically encouraging it.
of course there is nuance. you are correct that both are to blame, but many people need to use facebook for family, friends, or work. it sucks that we as a society are so reliant on these companies, but thats how it is.
just saying ‘dont use facebook’ is useless. we can advocate for changes at the same time as encouraging people to alternatives. its the same argument with windows/linux.
I mean, it’s not that hard to just don’t. If anyone asks, just say I don’t use Facebook. And if they bitch, then so be it.
If they share you Facebook links, click it if you must, but don’t log in. If you can’t watch the video because you don’t log in, then too bad.
If it’s for work, then create a work account if absolutely necessary, but don’t use it for your personal shit.
It’s really that easy.
Are you a victim when you walk into the BDSM club, sign the waivers, call safe words a conspiracy, and cry rape afterwards?
Edit: How about if you go back in after that?
I use all social media in browser to give them less access to my device. I clear cache / cookies after use every time. Hopefully that gives them far less personal data.
When I was using Facebook I used one of the third party apps - they’re basically a web browser that only browses Facebook, thereby isolating Facebook from any other internet traffic.
The Facebook mobile webapp works just fine nowadays. Pretty sure it’s even possible to enable notifications in most web browsers. I still don’t get why people are willfully installing apps instead of just pinning web browser bookmarks.
No educational programs for smart phones?
I also only use the fb mobile web app, but for years they regularly break things, I assume it’s on purpose to get people to install their shady app
So they’re just actually pushing malware now?
That’s why I set up 2FA on whatever account I can grab my hand on. It sucks that I cannot do it on every single one I have (e.g. some popular names like Spotify, last.fm, Bandcamp or Feedly do not support it, for example), but for every account that I do have, 2FA has become critical lately.
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This is about the web browser within Meta apps, uBlock on another browser won’t help.
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Does Google also do this with their in-app browser in their search app?
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