Or, you know, we could just reallocate these egregiously huge military/police funds to healthcare + infrastructure. There are innumerable reasons people in this country are driven to violence but the number one is the violence it inflicts on us.
Pretty fucked to watch people blame doctors for mass shootings, because the pro-gun crowd doesn’t want anyone blaming guns.
The Maine shooter received urgent, emergency mental healthcare. 2 weeks in a psychiatric ward, being given daily treatment and observation by doctors, who did everything they could to stabilise him.
What did you want them to do? There’s no instant, perfect cure. There’s no pill or surgery to fix “I want to kill as many people as I can with my legal firearms”.
Or does the group constantly bleating about “freedom” want to indefinitely hold people against their will in a psychiatric ward, for the crime of “not being healthy enough to sell guns to”?
Doctors need months to stabilise a patient and potentially years for full remission. Since America is fucked, they also need someone to cover the tens of thousands of dollars since for-profit insurance companies and for-profit politicians will do everything they can ensure it isn’t them.
But the gun manufacturers only need a couple of days and a few hundred bucks for everything they need to kill everyone in sight. The far-right politicians, media companies, sock puppets and suckers have already been working on them for years, making sure they know exactly who their targets should be when they snap.
It took the gun lobby 25 years to find their perfect excuse – “It’s a mental health problem”. A tidy little catch phrase that sounds right if you don’t think about it, that demands we jump a hurdle that will cost tens of billions of dollars and take 50 more years of medical research.
But it’s no more bullshit than “violent video games” or “not enough prayer” or “too many doors” was.
If America has 20 social problems causing people to use their legal firearms to kill as many people as possible, then America has 20 reasons why the current gun laws are hopelessly insufficient for the society they’re supposed to serve and the pro-gun crowd has 20 things they need to fix if they want to indiscriminately sell that society guns.
Tangential, I find the push to arm teachers so weird. I can only imagine the job offers.
“Your job will require you to teach children, raise them and show kindness and compassion. Also you need to kill them if they start shooting.”
“Also while working in war zones might come with danger pay, you’re a teacher so we will pay you barely starvation wages and you’ll have to buy supplies from your personal money.”
I agree. I get being scared but you signed up to do the job.
I was a volunteer cop for many years. I cringe when I hear about cops refusing to enter a building or running away from the gun fight.
I get there are times when it makes sense, single gunman barricaded in a room, yeah, maybe wait for more people or SWAT but they could have saved many lives by doing something.
Hell most of these turds shot themselves when confronted. It is rare for there to be a shootout with the cops.
Why I believe in police reform so badly. I admit I want a unicorn, but I want a cop who is compassionate and enforces the law without prejudice. A person who can see it from the lens of the person who he is dealing with but can also kick ass when needed.
Combining your comment and another one talking about how America’s mental health also sucks and often makes illnesses worse the thing about America is that everything is corrupted and lazly done ether it be our politicians or the medical field we have the services people need but corruption is making it so when shit happens to you you might as well be on your own
There are also loads of guns that are old enough that there is no way we could know who owns them. I legally possess a firearm that I’m the 4th person it’s been handed down to, and it didn’t even start in my family. There is no way it could be tracked by a law enforcement agency looking to get all the guns. I used to live in Illinois, and the law there says the gun seller has to maintain the sale record for 10 years. So, after 10 years, it becomes super hard to track. It would be a logistics nightmare to try and confiscate them all.
What a stupid take. Other than a few far right idiots, nobody is going to risk their life over a gun. And those oh so tough gravy seals are going to roll over at the first sign of serious pushback. That just leaves the real nutcases that definitely shouldn’t have guns in the first place. And the police being unwilling to do their job is an argument for police reform not for inaction.
And what have you and your fuckfaced, pro-gun friends fixed in 25 years of insisting you alone have the solutions? Which have your bullshit promises have come true?
You’ve enthusiastically pushed America the closest to authoritarianism out of any wealthy country. Property crime is no rarer than anywhere else, it’s just got a layer of gun violence on top. You’ve enabled domestic terrorisism at frequency and lethality that makes Middle Eastern extremists blush. Minorities are executed on the street by police that go unpunished and thrown into for-profit prisons to be used as slave labor. The families you all insisted you were going to keep safe with your guns are scraping their children’s brains from the ceiling at an unprecedented rate.
It wasn’t violent video games. It wasn’t Marilyn Manson. It wasn’t Dungeons and Dragons. It wasn’t too many doors.
It was self absorbed dogshit like you and it has been the entire time.
You wake up in the morning to the sound of your padded alarm clock going off. You remove your one thin sheet, after all, it could suffocate someone if air couldnt pass through it. You think about when it used to be legal to use pillows, those were good days.
As you start to get ready for school, you begin to tape your pants together, as is tradition since belts got banned. You pull your shirt on and the fibers get stuck in your beard that you havent been able to shave in years.
You walk the several miles to school, and think to yourself that the air smells a lot better since all vehicles were banned. Your teacher starts to tell you to take out your pencils, until she remembers. She must not’ve gotten enough sleep last night. You shrug, it has been cold this winter.
Ehh, between the bad-faith interpretation, their bad wording, your bad example and also failure in effectiveness as ridicule, the lack of anything new in this entire comment section…
True, also make any lethal weapon illegal in usa
Or, you know, we could just reallocate these egregiously huge military/police funds to healthcare + infrastructure. There are innumerable reasons people in this country are driven to violence but the number one is the violence it inflicts on us.
Pretty fucked to watch people blame doctors for mass shootings, because the pro-gun crowd doesn’t want anyone blaming guns.
The Maine shooter received urgent, emergency mental healthcare. 2 weeks in a psychiatric ward, being given daily treatment and observation by doctors, who did everything they could to stabilise him.
What did you want them to do? There’s no instant, perfect cure. There’s no pill or surgery to fix “I want to kill as many people as I can with my legal firearms”.
Or does the group constantly bleating about “freedom” want to indefinitely hold people against their will in a psychiatric ward, for the crime of “not being healthy enough to sell guns to”?
Doctors need months to stabilise a patient and potentially years for full remission. Since America is fucked, they also need someone to cover the tens of thousands of dollars since for-profit insurance companies and for-profit politicians will do everything they can ensure it isn’t them.
But the gun manufacturers only need a couple of days and a few hundred bucks for everything they need to kill everyone in sight. The far-right politicians, media companies, sock puppets and suckers have already been working on them for years, making sure they know exactly who their targets should be when they snap.
It took the gun lobby 25 years to find their perfect excuse – “It’s a mental health problem”. A tidy little catch phrase that sounds right if you don’t think about it, that demands we jump a hurdle that will cost tens of billions of dollars and take 50 more years of medical research.
But it’s no more bullshit than “violent video games” or “not enough prayer” or “too many doors” was.
If America has 20 social problems causing people to use their legal firearms to kill as many people as possible, then America has 20 reasons why the current gun laws are hopelessly insufficient for the society they’re supposed to serve and the pro-gun crowd has 20 things they need to fix if they want to indiscriminately sell that society guns.
Nice strawman argument you have there. Nobody is blaming doctors.
You must have the head of a scarecrow if you think that’s a strawman.
It is tho haha u literally can’t point to anywhere in this thread that was said.
https://www.google.com/search?&q=us+blame+mental+health+mass+shootings
The world extends beyond the thread you’re reading.
We can make it harder to get a gun. But there are so many already in the US its difficult to rein that back in.
More guns is the solution, like in schools. Arm the custodians! Arm the vice-principals! Arm the unarmed!
Tangential, I find the push to arm teachers so weird. I can only imagine the job offers. “Your job will require you to teach children, raise them and show kindness and compassion. Also you need to kill them if they start shooting.”
“Also while working in war zones might come with danger pay, you’re a teacher so we will pay you barely starvation wages and you’ll have to buy supplies from your personal money.”
I support gun rights but I think it’s crazy to think about arming teachers. It just seems like such a disconnect to me.
We should probably train the cops not to run away like a bunch of cowards.
There’s been a few shootings where the school had a cop on duty, who was armed, and the cop ran out of the building when the shooting started.
Should be a crime to abandon people, let alone children, like that
I agree. I get being scared but you signed up to do the job.
I was a volunteer cop for many years. I cringe when I hear about cops refusing to enter a building or running away from the gun fight.
I get there are times when it makes sense, single gunman barricaded in a room, yeah, maybe wait for more people or SWAT but they could have saved many lives by doing something.
Hell most of these turds shot themselves when confronted. It is rare for there to be a shootout with the cops.
Why I believe in police reform so badly. I admit I want a unicorn, but I want a cop who is compassionate and enforces the law without prejudice. A person who can see it from the lens of the person who he is dealing with but can also kick ass when needed.
Combining your comment and another one talking about how America’s mental health also sucks and often makes illnesses worse the thing about America is that everything is corrupted and lazly done ether it be our politicians or the medical field we have the services people need but corruption is making it so when shit happens to you you might as well be on your own
Well if you support more people having guns, it’s inevitable people are going to look for solutions to some of those people shooting up schools
Also, it’s the same people who trust teachers with guns in the classroom that think teachers can’t be trusted with books in the classroom.
Arm all of the kids while we’re at it. Only a good kid with a gun can stop a bad kid with a gun.
You know how many babies get abducted from hospitals?! Arm them too!
I dunno about you and yours, but my babies come from the stork with arms
Oh shit, better do nothing then.
Not what i said.
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Just have the same beuracroracy you have for vehicles. Yearly registration. And same licensing as liquor. Only licensed sellers.
Implement a buyback program like Australia did. They stopped the sales and paid above market value for any gun for a certain period of time. It works.
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No, I say illegal, not harder to get.
Yes and that’s why we’re all making fun of you now.
So, start with hands? Water? Rocks?
arms… of any kind.
In America, we should have the right to the while bear, not just the arms.
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There are also loads of guns that are old enough that there is no way we could know who owns them. I legally possess a firearm that I’m the 4th person it’s been handed down to, and it didn’t even start in my family. There is no way it could be tracked by a law enforcement agency looking to get all the guns. I used to live in Illinois, and the law there says the gun seller has to maintain the sale record for 10 years. So, after 10 years, it becomes super hard to track. It would be a logistics nightmare to try and confiscate them all.
What a stupid take. Other than a few far right idiots, nobody is going to risk their life over a gun. And those oh so tough gravy seals are going to roll over at the first sign of serious pushback. That just leaves the real nutcases that definitely shouldn’t have guns in the first place. And the police being unwilling to do their job is an argument for police reform not for inaction.
An everyday hammer can be turned into a lethal weapon, should I not be allowed to have finger nails just because I could scratch someone to death?
Negative.
Yeah slap more bandaids on the issue. That’ll fix it.
“Any lethal weapon” lmao dumbass. Just because you’re not allowed to touch the kitchen knives doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t.
Okay then start with sensible gun laws, most countries know how to implement them except the US.
Completely agree.
And what have you and your fuckfaced, pro-gun friends fixed in 25 years of insisting you alone have the solutions? Which have your bullshit promises have come true?
You’ve enthusiastically pushed America the closest to authoritarianism out of any wealthy country. Property crime is no rarer than anywhere else, it’s just got a layer of gun violence on top. You’ve enabled domestic terrorisism at frequency and lethality that makes Middle Eastern extremists blush. Minorities are executed on the street by police that go unpunished and thrown into for-profit prisons to be used as slave labor. The families you all insisted you were going to keep safe with your guns are scraping their children’s brains from the ceiling at an unprecedented rate.
It wasn’t violent video games. It wasn’t Marilyn Manson. It wasn’t Dungeons and Dragons. It wasn’t too many doors.
It was self absorbed dogshit like you and it has been the entire time.
A Regular Day In The Life Of The American
You wake up in the morning to the sound of your padded alarm clock going off. You remove your one thin sheet, after all, it could suffocate someone if air couldnt pass through it. You think about when it used to be legal to use pillows, those were good days.
As you start to get ready for school, you begin to tape your pants together, as is tradition since belts got banned. You pull your shirt on and the fibers get stuck in your beard that you havent been able to shave in years.
You walk the several miles to school, and think to yourself that the air smells a lot better since all vehicles were banned. Your teacher starts to tell you to take out your pencils, until she remembers. She must not’ve gotten enough sleep last night. You shrug, it has been cold this winter.
Slippery slope is really slippery today, huh?
Not much of a slippey slope when his exact words were “ban all lethal weapons”
If he meant guns, he should’ve said that.
You post something mindnumbingly stupid and people are going to ridicule you.
Ehh, between the bad-faith interpretation, their bad wording, your bad example and also failure in effectiveness as ridicule, the lack of anything new in this entire comment section…
Idc. Gonna pack it up on this one. Go nuts.