Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda
The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas. 2 million died and 10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.
Once you add their descendents (we don’t know the total number) we have 10s to 100s of millions of people living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.
Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery. Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.
And it’s not just this one. Germany more or less ignores the genocide it committed in Namibia.
Even when it comes to WW2, the focus is always on the 6 million Jews and not the 20 million Slavs. Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.
And then finally, this live streamed genocide in Gaza. Which in some respects is worse than the Holocaust, even if the absolute number is lower.
My grandparents were resistance fighters in WW2. They knew Jews were being picked up and sent to camps, and they saved a few from that fate, but they didn’t know the truth about Auschwitz until after the war. The images were not publicly available in occupied Europe.
They were shocked. And the same is true for most Germans. The Nazi’s never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide.
But in Gaza, we can all see it. It is being denied, while being live streamed. The Israeli’s, Americans and the Germans can see the starving kids in Gaza and still provide popular democratic support to its continuation.
The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi’s did.
10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.
Source?
living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.
Source?
Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery
I’ll let you have this one
Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.
So? The US is in the wrong for not compensating, Germany is actually trying at least.
not the 20 million Slavs.
We’re discussing the Holocaust perpetuated by the Nazi regime against Jewish people and other so-called ‘undesireable’ humans, not Stalin’s crimes against the people he was ostensibly responsible for. Stay on topic.
Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.
Why are you using ethnic homogeneity as an argument in your favor? Especially when trying to minimize the Jewish Holocaust in favor of painting the USSR as the victim‽
The Nazi’s never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide
The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi’s did
Source? Pretty sure we had some pretty public trials over those claims already.
I don’t even disagree with you about Gaza, you’ve just got incredibly shit takes on history.
Holocaust is not just another word for genocide. It describes the systematic, industrialized killing of an entire ethnicity. Like modern industrial-capitalist logistic chains, the nazis optimized the KZs and their Hinterland for the maximum efficiency in killing Jews.
There has not been something like this in the entire history of humanity. Please educate yourself. I say that without judging you. I’m aware that there have been many other genocides, each one more terrible than one could put in words. And yes, Israel is committing on in Gaza right now, but that doesn’t diminish the enormous suffering of the Jewish people in the last century.
If what the Israeli government and army are doing right now makes you go “Well maybe the Holocaust wasn’t sooo bad, all things considered” then you have some real soul searching to do. Stop consuming propaganda.
You’ve been thoroughly beaten in argument and now you resort to low effort trolling. Take some time to reflect on yourself. What you are doing here is not normal and not healthy.
It blows my mind man. You are saying things that could come verbatim from a torch-carrying skinhead during a NPD rally in Dresden. Yet you call yourself a leftist according to your profile? How does that even happen?
The skinhead can be partially right about some things even if they’re monstrously wrong about the overall picture and what conclusions they draw. A neonazi would probably also say the earth is round, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
What, in particular, did that poster say that is so wrong? Are their numbers off? Did the other genocides not happen?
edit: To be clear: I’m talking about the poster you’re replying to here, not the deleted post above b/c who even knows what that said.
The poster I replied to literally said that Germans during the Holocaust were less morally depraved than today regarding Gaza. Let that sink in. Don’t just read over that phrase, really take a second to appreciate that they typed that out.
You ask what they’re wrong about… well pretty much everything, which he has in common with the hypothetical Dresden skinhead. Germans largely knew about the KZs and they didn’t care (or rather, pretended not to know and didn’t want to). This is actually a lie told all the time by German neonazis, that the Germans didn’t know what the regime they helped put in place was actually doing.
There is a movie that was released about this last year which you should definitely watch, called The Zone of Interest. It might make you feel sympathetic towards Jewish people though, I understand this is sort of a no-go with some people on this platform.
Also the whole construction is wrong (there have not been “many holocausts”) and again, this is something the extreme right will make you want to believe all the time - that it really wasn’t something that stands out in human history. I and many other posters have already pointed out why this is an enormous lie, extremely antisemitic and an extremely dangerous bending of history.
Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda
The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas. 2 million died and 10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.
Once you add their descendents (we don’t know the total number) we have 10s to 100s of millions of people living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.
Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery. Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.
And it’s not just this one. Germany more or less ignores the genocide it committed in Namibia.
Even when it comes to WW2, the focus is always on the 6 million Jews and not the 20 million Slavs. Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.
And then finally, this live streamed genocide in Gaza. Which in some respects is worse than the Holocaust, even if the absolute number is lower.
My grandparents were resistance fighters in WW2. They knew Jews were being picked up and sent to camps, and they saved a few from that fate, but they didn’t know the truth about Auschwitz until after the war. The images were not publicly available in occupied Europe. They were shocked. And the same is true for most Germans. The Nazi’s never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide.
But in Gaza, we can all see it. It is being denied, while being live streamed. The Israeli’s, Americans and the Germans can see the starving kids in Gaza and still provide popular democratic support to its continuation.
The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi’s did.
Source?
Source?
I’ll let you have this one
So? The US is in the wrong for not compensating, Germany is actually trying at least.
We’re discussing the Holocaust perpetuated by the Nazi regime against Jewish people and other so-called ‘undesireable’ humans, not Stalin’s crimes against the people he was ostensibly responsible for. Stay on topic.
Why are you using ethnic homogeneity as an argument in your favor? Especially when trying to minimize the Jewish Holocaust in favor of painting the USSR as the victim‽
Source? Pretty sure we had some pretty public trials over those claims already.
I don’t even disagree with you about Gaza, you’ve just got incredibly shit takes on history.
Holocaust is not just another word for genocide. It describes the systematic, industrialized killing of an entire ethnicity. Like modern industrial-capitalist logistic chains, the nazis optimized the KZs and their Hinterland for the maximum efficiency in killing Jews.
There has not been something like this in the entire history of humanity. Please educate yourself. I say that without judging you. I’m aware that there have been many other genocides, each one more terrible than one could put in words. And yes, Israel is committing on in Gaza right now, but that doesn’t diminish the enormous suffering of the Jewish people in the last century.
If what the Israeli government and army are doing right now makes you go “Well maybe the Holocaust wasn’t sooo bad, all things considered” then you have some real soul searching to do. Stop consuming propaganda.
Dude, I never said the Holocaust ain’t bad.
You’re just a racist projecting your beliefs on others
You have some serious problems with reading comprehension.
And you’re a Nazi, just against brown people instead of Jews.
Same shit, different victims.
You’ve been thoroughly beaten in argument and now you resort to low effort trolling. Take some time to reflect on yourself. What you are doing here is not normal and not healthy.
Good luck, I hope you get better.
I haven’t been beaten in an argument.
You are trying to lecture people on a historical genocide while whitewashing and denying a genocide that is happening before our very eyes.
That is truly sickening and not healthy. And it actually hurts people who are now dying and starving.
I said word for word that Israel is guilty of a genocide.
Seek help, good luck.
It blows my mind man. You are saying things that could come verbatim from a torch-carrying skinhead during a NPD rally in Dresden. Yet you call yourself a leftist according to your profile? How does that even happen?
The skinhead can be partially right about some things even if they’re monstrously wrong about the overall picture and what conclusions they draw. A neonazi would probably also say the earth is round, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
What, in particular, did that poster say that is so wrong? Are their numbers off? Did the other genocides not happen?
edit: To be clear: I’m talking about the poster you’re replying to here, not the deleted post above b/c who even knows what that said.
The poster I replied to literally said that Germans during the Holocaust were less morally depraved than today regarding Gaza. Let that sink in. Don’t just read over that phrase, really take a second to appreciate that they typed that out.
You ask what they’re wrong about… well pretty much everything, which he has in common with the hypothetical Dresden skinhead. Germans largely knew about the KZs and they didn’t care (or rather, pretended not to know and didn’t want to). This is actually a lie told all the time by German neonazis, that the Germans didn’t know what the regime they helped put in place was actually doing.
There is a movie that was released about this last year which you should definitely watch, called The Zone of Interest. It might make you feel sympathetic towards Jewish people though, I understand this is sort of a no-go with some people on this platform.
Also the whole construction is wrong (there have not been “many holocausts”) and again, this is something the extreme right will make you want to believe all the time - that it really wasn’t something that stands out in human history. I and many other posters have already pointed out why this is an enormous lie, extremely antisemitic and an extremely dangerous bending of history.
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