LMAO let’s not pretend like places such as /FemaleDatingStrategy don’t exist. Misogynists and misandrists are two sides of the same coin. If I have no problem saying that misogynists like Andrew Tate are shitheads, then you can admit that man-hating misandrists are also shitheads.
And don’t you start telling me “Oh, but woman-hating misogynists are worse” because then the conversation turns in to the “Oppression Olympics” and all people do is focus on arguing about who has it worse instead of focusing on actually fixing anybody’s problems. Both misogynists and misandrists are bad, and both should be condemned.
LMAO let’s not pretend like places such as /FemaleDatingStrategy don’t exist.
FDS has nowhere near the same reach as Tate, or other manosphere influencers.
And don’t you start telling me “Oh, but woman-hating misogynists are worse” because then the conversation turns in to the “Oppression Olympics” and all people do is focus on arguing about who has it worse instead of focusing on actually fixing anybody’s problems.
Yes, they are both dicks. But one group has active control of the most powerful government on earth.
Cut off that other crap about men “running the most powerful government in the world”. I guarantee the average man does not “run the world”. I sure as hell don’t. Do you? No? Then stop.
No more saying “My side has it worse, so your side doesn’t deserve to have your problems addressed”, neither gender should have their very real problems ignored.
There are no winners in the “Oppression Olympics”, only losers. The first step towards not being a loser is to stop thinking like a loser.
Cut off that other crap about men “running the most powerful government in the world”. I guarantee the average man does not “run the world”. I sure as hell don’t. Do you? No? Then stop.
I never fucking said that, liar. We were talking about misogynists and misandrists (this all started with talking about Tate and FDS, remember?) , and I said the former were running the most powerful government in the world.
How about instead of having an attitude problem with me, we both agree that neither men nor women should be abused and both genders have unique issues that, in a healthy society, would be acknowledged and addressed?
You are the one arguing in bad faith by straw-manning me. You entered this thread with a whataboutism. And you have been up and down this thread accusing anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of “Oppression Olympics” or that they don’t believe men’s issues exist.
You are the one arguing in bad faith by straw-manning me. You entered this thread with a whataboutism. And you have been up and down this thread accusing anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of “Oppression Olympics” or that they don’t believe men’s issues exist.
^ Translation from Snippy to English: “I’m not here to actually engage in healthy debate: Rather, I’m here to pick fights and “win one for my team”. Also, I hereby volunteer to be on TheFudd’s block list, because I am incapable of having a civil discussion.”
Yeah, looknat the SAVE act and whose voting rights will be impacted by that. Women and transpeople, mainly. But they want us to think they are wittle victims because no one wants to be around a fucking bully. Amd they make fun of women’s loneliness epidemic no problem - the cat lady rhetoric. So they can stuff it.
Oh, you got your answer. You just didn’t like the answer - Probably because the answer acknowledged that men’s problems actually exist in this regard, and you don’t like that either.
You know what I didn’t like? My ex beating the shit out of me, and getting away with it every single time because just because she’s a woman.
Yep, that’s horrible and illegal. And she got away with it because the US is systematically sexist. The patriarchy sucks for us men too, I’m afraid. It demands us to be strong, unafraid, and impossible to hurt.
“Leads to” is way too strong. Hierarchy, capitalism, provider expectations all those play a huge role that on their own would be sufficient to cause the issue, if those were gone then the misandrists could just be ignored. What misandrists do have a rather large part in though is hindering that the problem gets addressed by people who otherwise do oppose hierarchy, capitalism, and normative gender expectations.
Yeah, I think I have my threads crossed. I started by asking who was the toxic feminist equivalent of Tate. To show that there isn’t a toxic feminism industry. Just a group of very annoyed individuals.
The toxic male industry makes the situation a LOT worse. Money pushes ideals.
"Equivalence’ of does not mean “same-same”, here, female aggression patterns are quite different than male ones. Bold “accept me as dominant, I’m telling you don’t show up or else” vs. plausible-deniability “oh someone must have forgotten to invite you”, “We didn’t think you want to come”. Apologies to any gals out there reliving high-school trauma right now.
To breach a broader topic: The very fact that a sentence like “all masculinity is toxic” can even be defended. When it’s defended, then generally as “Well we define “masculine” not as what men do but as whatever is toxic in society” – and then conveniently sweeping under the rug that that is not how “masculinity” is understood in any other context. As said: Plausible deniability. Motte and bailey: You can say a misandrist thing, have it understood as misandrist by your fellow misandrists, then, when called out, say “no you don’t actually understand do you even feminism read theory you’re a misogynist for misconstruing me”.
The worst thing one can do? Explain it openly. That does not just attack the concrete thing itself, but the very tactic of plausible deniability. It’s, admittedly, the nuclear option but sometimes plain necessary.
Tate belongs in a jail cell. Period. He is human garbage who makes the world a worse place to live in.
I believe feminism is important nowadays, especially during the Trump years. The government is literally targeting women’s rights. That is unacceptable.
I might disagree with feminists from time to time, but I realize that overall, their hearts are in the right place. I can certainly not say the same about Tate and his ilk.
we live in a patriarchy. there is no such thing as misandry I am a misandrist bigot, but I don’t want people to call me out on my bigoted behavior, so I’m going to claim misandry doesn’t exist.
^ Fixed that for you.
Extremist beliefs such as yours are sadly a big reason why Democrats lost the 2024 election.
LMAO let’s not pretend like places such as /FemaleDatingStrategy don’t exist. Misogynists and misandrists are two sides of the same coin. If I have no problem saying that misogynists like Andrew Tate are shitheads, then you can admit that man-hating misandrists are also shitheads.
And don’t you start telling me “Oh, but woman-hating misogynists are worse” because then the conversation turns in to the “Oppression Olympics” and all people do is focus on arguing about who has it worse instead of focusing on actually fixing anybody’s problems. Both misogynists and misandrists are bad, and both should be condemned.
FDS has nowhere near the same reach as Tate, or other manosphere influencers.
Yes, they are both dicks. But one group has active control of the most powerful government on earth.
Stop. Right there. That’s all you need to say.
Cut off that other crap about men “running the most powerful government in the world”. I guarantee the average man does not “run the world”. I sure as hell don’t. Do you? No? Then stop.
No more saying “My side has it worse, so your side doesn’t deserve to have your problems addressed”, neither gender should have their very real problems ignored.
There are no winners in the “Oppression Olympics”, only losers. The first step towards not being a loser is to stop thinking like a loser.
I never fucking said that, liar. We were talking about misogynists and misandrists (this all started with talking about Tate and FDS, remember?) , and I said the former were running the most powerful government in the world.
“Liar”?
How about instead of having an attitude problem with me, we both agree that neither men nor women should be abused and both genders have unique issues that, in a healthy society, would be acknowledged and addressed?
Or are you just here to argue with someone?
You are the one arguing in bad faith by straw-manning me. You entered this thread with a whataboutism. And you have been up and down this thread accusing anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of “Oppression Olympics” or that they don’t believe men’s issues exist.
^ Translation from Snippy to English: “I’m not here to actually engage in healthy debate: Rather, I’m here to pick fights and “win one for my team”. Also, I hereby volunteer to be on TheFudd’s block list, because I am incapable of having a civil discussion.”
Not cool. Do better.
Was it so hard to address what I actually said?
I mean the simplest explanation is that they did not reply to you, unless you’re using multiple accounts, they replied to a different user
Yeah, looknat the SAVE act and whose voting rights will be impacted by that. Women and transpeople, mainly. But they want us to think they are wittle victims because no one wants to be around a fucking bully. Amd they make fun of women’s loneliness epidemic no problem - the cat lady rhetoric. So they can stuff it.
So, no answer then?
Oh, you got your answer. You just didn’t like the answer - Probably because the answer acknowledged that men’s problems actually exist in this regard, and you don’t like that either.
You know what I didn’t like? My ex beating the shit out of me, and getting away with it every single time because just because she’s a woman.
Yep, that’s horrible and illegal. And she got away with it because the US is systematically sexist. The patriarchy sucks for us men too, I’m afraid. It demands us to be strong, unafraid, and impossible to hurt.
Feminism actually addresses this. Tate doesn’t.
He never said he supported Tate.
He also never said misandry should be countered with misogyny.
He pointed out that misandry is the other side of the same coin as misogyny, maybe so that you can see the issue with OPs gender war slop.
His position has been consistently that both are bad.
Don’t straw man him.
But you don’t see how the misandry leads to the loneliness epidemic?
“Leads to” is way too strong. Hierarchy, capitalism, provider expectations all those play a huge role that on their own would be sufficient to cause the issue, if those were gone then the misandrists could just be ignored. What misandrists do have a rather large part in though is hindering that the problem gets addressed by people who otherwise do oppose hierarchy, capitalism, and normative gender expectations.
I don’t understand how that relates to what I just said.
Yeah, I think I have my threads crossed. I started by asking who was the toxic feminist equivalent of Tate. To show that there isn’t a toxic feminism industry. Just a group of very annoyed individuals.
The toxic male industry makes the situation a LOT worse. Money pushes ideals.
Andrea Dworkin.
"Equivalence’ of does not mean “same-same”, here, female aggression patterns are quite different than male ones. Bold “accept me as dominant, I’m telling you don’t show up or else” vs. plausible-deniability “oh someone must have forgotten to invite you”, “We didn’t think you want to come”. Apologies to any gals out there reliving high-school trauma right now.
To breach a broader topic: The very fact that a sentence like “all masculinity is toxic” can even be defended. When it’s defended, then generally as “Well we define “masculine” not as what men do but as whatever is toxic in society” – and then conveniently sweeping under the rug that that is not how “masculinity” is understood in any other context. As said: Plausible deniability. Motte and bailey: You can say a misandrist thing, have it understood as misandrist by your fellow misandrists, then, when called out, say “no you don’t actually understand do you even feminism read theory you’re a misogynist for misconstruing me”.
The worst thing one can do? Explain it openly. That does not just attack the concrete thing itself, but the very tactic of plausible deniability. It’s, admittedly, the nuclear option but sometimes plain necessary.
Cue “No this isn’t happening”.
Tate belongs in a jail cell. Period. He is human garbage who makes the world a worse place to live in.
I believe feminism is important nowadays, especially during the Trump years. The government is literally targeting women’s rights. That is unacceptable.
I might disagree with feminists from time to time, but I realize that overall, their hearts are in the right place. I can certainly not say the same about Tate and his ilk.
misandry doesn’t real
Misogyny and misandry are unfortunately both very real and very bad.
we live in a patriarchy. there is no such thing as misandry.
^ Fixed that for you.
Extremist beliefs such as yours are sadly a big reason why Democrats lost the 2024 election.
You are part of the problem. Do better.