Along with what others have said, you’re also falling for the oil industry’s years long campaign to heave onto us the responsibility to fix the mess they created, knew about, covered up, and gaslighted everyone on.
A group is having a real impact on the people and companies that are 85%-95% responsible for the mess we’re in…and you question the climate group? Like…that’s such weirdly unnecessary bootlicking. You probably don’t realize you’re doing it—or maybe you do, I dunno. But this is the same tactic used every single time a reporter is trying to discredit a spokesperson for any climate action group—the shitty conservative reporters too, like Pierce Morgan.
Yeah, of course it’s always good. No one is denying that.
But my point is the context. Following an article about a climate group that is seeing positive results in hounding the fuck out of some of the assholes responsible, your reaction actually runs cover for the assholes. See what I’m saying?
“Average citizen foils a home robbery as he’s walking by with his dog.”
You: “pfft. But does he volunteer his time to help those people starving in his city?”
Like, what the fuck? Yes, we all know it’s good to cut out what you can—it’s better to ride a bike than drive a car. It’s better to eat less meat than meat all the time. It’s better to be vegetarian than eat meat. It’s better to be vegan than vegetarian. But to say if you’re not doing ALL OF THE ABOVE, FUCK YOU doesn’t help anyone but the people truly responsible for the climate crisis. It’s turning your attention away from those who output megatonnes carbon into the atmosphere and who literally engineered the term “carbon footprint” to shift blame and focus away from them (which you have picked up the torch on, which is my point) and onto us, the people who don’t put out in a year what one of these companies is responsible for in a day or a week.
Again, you’re not wrong, it’s great to do what you personally can, but in this context, you’re not proving that point. You’re saying, “oh yeah, well what’s your carbon footprint?! Did you make those signs out of recycled paper? Did you drive here to make this climate change denier face their crimes?!” For that, you kinda suck in this context. No offense.
and it would certainly make me uncomfortable if they weren’t.
I was going to be very mean to you, then I took a deep breath and realized that it wasn’t worth it.
I would invite you to realize that for every 10 articles detailing how bad climate change is, there are maybe 1 of these articles. Tell me, what exactly are you doing by poking holes here? This organization has the potential to create far more lasting change than you being vegan ever will. What do you gain by pointing this out?
Your self-described “simple questions” are a textbook example of concern trolling, aimed not at gaining insight but at undermining efforts to address climate change. You position yourself as a reasonable skeptic—an advocate for the underrepresented, a cycling enthusiast concerned about the impracticalities of immediate fossil fuel cessation. Yet, your arguments selectively ignore the robust initiatives that organizations implement alongside the push to end fossil fuels, not to mention the extensive literature that outlines transitional strategies which are sensitive to socioeconomic disparities [IPCC, 2021].
Furthermore, your juxtaposition of environmental groups against Greenpeace creates a false dichotomy, one that oversimplifies the diverse tactics within the environmental movement. Both types of efforts—ending crimes by fossil fuel companies and phasing out fossil fuels—are critical and complementary, not oppositional [Greenpeace, 2023].
By framing necessary environmental actions as “strange” or “out of touch,” you’re not just questioning logistics; you’re implying a deliberate disconnect by these organizations, thus painting them as elitist or naive. This isn’t a critique; it’s a strategic misrepresentation designed to discredit. If you were genuinely interested in resolution or progress, your dialogue would include recognition of ongoing efforts to develop sustainable, equitable alternatives and would perhaps offer constructive suggestions rather than thinly-veiled disparagement.
This approach does nothing to further the conversation or contribute to real solutions—it merely perpetuates a cycle of doubt and delay at a time when urgent action is most needed. Concern trolling undercuts serious discourse, exploiting legitimate anxieties for the sake of argument rather than resolution. If the goal is truly to enhance the effectiveness of climate action, then engagement should be aimed at fostering understanding and progress, not fomenting skepticism and strife.
Oh noes, that organization that really makes an impact in bettering the world doesn’t support my particular pet peeve, they suck!
It’s this attitude why most grass roots organisations fail. As soon as a group gains some traction, you have all these.peoplemlike you immediately trying to inject their issues in there. I remember this happening to occupy Wall Street, that started good, then it toren itself apart when they needed to add all the other issues, racism, lgbtqfjwkskgr, Womens rights, animal rights, and so on… Meanwhile the coke sniffing assholes were laughing at them from a high balcony with champagne in their claws I shit you not.
How about you just tell them: well done, please do some more! Can I help you with your cause? Maybe one day we’ll look at my particular cause, but that can wait a day.
Your behavior is the reason why we can’t have nice things, please stop it
This is not about values not mattering. This is about people, like you, needing to inject their specific pet peeve into valid discussions, arguments, and organizations.
A climate organization does NOT need to require everyone being vegan. Would it help? Sure, I guess. Is there room for such organizations? Sure! Create your own, you’re free to do so! Should you force a successful organization to adopt your pet peeve? No, piss off, because you will ruin said organization. Let this organization donors thing to make the world a little better, if you want vegans world wide, then start your own.
They’re not really trying to change minds, they’re just crashing fossil fuel parties. We’ll have to see if they crash meat industry parties too. I doubt it.
It’s pretty common for people to fail at understanding systemic problems, unfortunately. We’ll see what other groups do after this one fails and disbands.
One of the biggest things you can do to dilute your message as a group, especially a small group, is to choose too many targets. As you said elsewhere, Greenpeace is already promoting veganism, as is PETA and a number of other groups. These guys don’t need to jump on that bandwagon to get the message out. Let them focus on what they’re doing, which also needs to be done. Otherwise, all you’re doing is redirecting criticism from the bad actors to the people trying to make them stop.
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Adhering to dogmatic ideas of ideological purity is detrimental to the environmentalist cause.
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Along with what others have said, you’re also falling for the oil industry’s years long campaign to heave onto us the responsibility to fix the mess they created, knew about, covered up, and gaslighted everyone on.
A group is having a real impact on the people and companies that are 85%-95% responsible for the mess we’re in…and you question the climate group? Like…that’s such weirdly unnecessary bootlicking. You probably don’t realize you’re doing it—or maybe you do, I dunno. But this is the same tactic used every single time a reporter is trying to discredit a spokesperson for any climate action group—the shitty conservative reporters too, like Pierce Morgan.
So…you’re not in good company.
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Yeah, of course it’s always good. No one is denying that.
But my point is the context. Following an article about a climate group that is seeing positive results in hounding the fuck out of some of the assholes responsible, your reaction actually runs cover for the assholes. See what I’m saying?
“Average citizen foils a home robbery as he’s walking by with his dog.”
You: “pfft. But does he volunteer his time to help those people starving in his city?”
Like, what the fuck? Yes, we all know it’s good to cut out what you can—it’s better to ride a bike than drive a car. It’s better to eat less meat than meat all the time. It’s better to be vegetarian than eat meat. It’s better to be vegan than vegetarian. But to say if you’re not doing ALL OF THE ABOVE, FUCK YOU doesn’t help anyone but the people truly responsible for the climate crisis. It’s turning your attention away from those who output megatonnes carbon into the atmosphere and who literally engineered the term “carbon footprint” to shift blame and focus away from them (which you have picked up the torch on, which is my point) and onto us, the people who don’t put out in a year what one of these companies is responsible for in a day or a week.
Again, you’re not wrong, it’s great to do what you personally can, but in this context, you’re not proving that point. You’re saying, “oh yeah, well what’s your carbon footprint?! Did you make those signs out of recycled paper? Did you drive here to make this climate change denier face their crimes?!” For that, you kinda suck in this context. No offense.
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I was going to be very mean to you, then I took a deep breath and realized that it wasn’t worth it.
I would invite you to realize that for every 10 articles detailing how bad climate change is, there are maybe 1 of these articles. Tell me, what exactly are you doing by poking holes here? This organization has the potential to create far more lasting change than you being vegan ever will. What do you gain by pointing this out?
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Your self-described “simple questions” are a textbook example of concern trolling, aimed not at gaining insight but at undermining efforts to address climate change. You position yourself as a reasonable skeptic—an advocate for the underrepresented, a cycling enthusiast concerned about the impracticalities of immediate fossil fuel cessation. Yet, your arguments selectively ignore the robust initiatives that organizations implement alongside the push to end fossil fuels, not to mention the extensive literature that outlines transitional strategies which are sensitive to socioeconomic disparities [IPCC, 2021].
Furthermore, your juxtaposition of environmental groups against Greenpeace creates a false dichotomy, one that oversimplifies the diverse tactics within the environmental movement. Both types of efforts—ending crimes by fossil fuel companies and phasing out fossil fuels—are critical and complementary, not oppositional [Greenpeace, 2023].
By framing necessary environmental actions as “strange” or “out of touch,” you’re not just questioning logistics; you’re implying a deliberate disconnect by these organizations, thus painting them as elitist or naive. This isn’t a critique; it’s a strategic misrepresentation designed to discredit. If you were genuinely interested in resolution or progress, your dialogue would include recognition of ongoing efforts to develop sustainable, equitable alternatives and would perhaps offer constructive suggestions rather than thinly-veiled disparagement.
This approach does nothing to further the conversation or contribute to real solutions—it merely perpetuates a cycle of doubt and delay at a time when urgent action is most needed. Concern trolling undercuts serious discourse, exploiting legitimate anxieties for the sake of argument rather than resolution. If the goal is truly to enhance the effectiveness of climate action, then engagement should be aimed at fostering understanding and progress, not fomenting skepticism and strife.
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Do keep your mouth shut, and your fingers off the keyboard.
Oh noes, that organization that really makes an impact in bettering the world doesn’t support my particular pet peeve, they suck!
It’s this attitude why most grass roots organisations fail. As soon as a group gains some traction, you have all these.peoplemlike you immediately trying to inject their issues in there. I remember this happening to occupy Wall Street, that started good, then it toren itself apart when they needed to add all the other issues, racism, lgbtqfjwkskgr, Womens rights, animal rights, and so on… Meanwhile the coke sniffing assholes were laughing at them from a high balcony with champagne in their claws I shit you not.
How about you just tell them: well done, please do some more! Can I help you with your cause? Maybe one day we’ll look at my particular cause, but that can wait a day.
Your behavior is the reason why we can’t have nice things, please stop it
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No.
This is not about values not mattering. This is about people, like you, needing to inject their specific pet peeve into valid discussions, arguments, and organizations.
A climate organization does NOT need to require everyone being vegan. Would it help? Sure, I guess. Is there room for such organizations? Sure! Create your own, you’re free to do so! Should you force a successful organization to adopt your pet peeve? No, piss off, because you will ruin said organization. Let this organization donors thing to make the world a little better, if you want vegans world wide, then start your own.
Don’t repeat occupy wallstrreet, I beg of you.
Do you do CrossFit too?
I use Arch btw
They’re not really trying to change minds, they’re just crashing fossil fuel parties. We’ll have to see if they crash meat industry parties too. I doubt it.
It’s pretty common for people to fail at understanding systemic problems, unfortunately. We’ll see what other groups do after this one fails and disbands.
You want people crashing meat industry parties? Get your friends to join you and do exactly that.
One of the biggest things you can do to dilute your message as a group, especially a small group, is to choose too many targets. As you said elsewhere, Greenpeace is already promoting veganism, as is PETA and a number of other groups. These guys don’t need to jump on that bandwagon to get the message out. Let them focus on what they’re doing, which also needs to be done. Otherwise, all you’re doing is redirecting criticism from the bad actors to the people trying to make them stop.
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