I love how a country is allowed to just get away with killing children and UN workers and doctors and journalists but we condemn countries that do the same thing like Russia. It makes no sense that Israel should get a free pass, all it does is expose a huge double standard
False equivalence.
Russia bombed Kiev for the hell of it, not even pretending there was a military objective. Russia also is conscripting Ukrainians to fight against their fellow countrymen as cannon-fodder on the front line. It is kidnapping children into Russia.
If Ukraine had initially launched an attack on Russia and killed 1,200 mainlycivilians, taken 200+ hostages and thrown in a bit of organised gang rape, I doubt Ukraine would be receiving its current level of support, and there may even have been some support for retaliatory action by Russia.
That’s not to say that Israel’s current appalling treatment of Palestinian civilians is justified
Except it wasn’t Palestine that attacked, it was a group disassociated with the Palestinian Authority, that Israel itself funds so it can justify the “war” to favor the arms dealers and distract the constituents of the terrible administration they’re receiving.
The two conflicts are not even remotely comparable.
The two conflicts are not even remotely comparable.
That was largely my point.
You have a weird way of getting to it, seeing as you compared the two right out of the door.
Given that I was replying to a message drawing equivalence, you’ll see that I was saying that they weren’t really equivalent, in that Ukraine hadn’t mounted an attack on Russian civilians. Hope that helps.
It’s crazy. On reddit, it’s 90%
Let’s ignore how many people israel has killed, they need to kill more, and let’s also go ahead an label everyone who says “too much” a hamas supporter
Then you go here and it’s again 90%
Let’s not even call hamas terrorist, more like freedom-fighters with some friendly rape and friendly fire thrown in.
You are describing r/Worldnews not other Reddit subs.
And Lemmy has been 50-50, with very little actual personal attacking.
Worldnews mods are clearly fascist. They banned me for being skeptical of IDF sources
If it makes you feel any better, I got banned for my first and only comment there (not even a post) which was a link and an explanation of the high credentials of the author. Like this…
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
Hersh first gained recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting.
Yeah they are clearly forcing a narrative there.
I wouldn’t be surprised if someone from IDF social media team is involved in some way, either as a mod or paying the mods handsomely
I do not visit worldnews. This description fits to both /r/europe and /r/de.
And regarding lemmy, maybe on other instances, but I’m only on beehaw.
Haven’t visited those subs.
I might be describing beehaw rather than other Lemmy instances. That was why I joined beehaw, because it promised civility.
As I said, I only know of beehaw as well. No personal attacks, but also nowhere near 50-50 sentinment.
50-50 here
Wut? I’ve not seen a single pro Israel thread here.
Not moving the goalposts but I meant Lemmy in general, not beehaw, cause no downvotes
But I admit you supplied a link to my request. I stand.partially informed
Ah, so only beehaw prohibits downvotes, not other Lemmy instances. TIL.
I guess even what I showed you may have gone negative if downvotes were allowed. The person I was arguing with wasn’t being nasty about it, just incredibly obstinate.
I worry about a return to Nazi style anti-semitism (though I hate Likud) which the polarized discussions are leading us towards. It is arrogant to think it could never happen again.
I don’t agree with this characterization at all.
Here in the fediverse there are many people with opinions similar to mine, i.e we are on the side of civillians, not any of the belligerents in this hellscape of war crimes.
all it does is expose a huge double standard
No, a simple unistandard. I’ll illustrate with a meme.
Isreal’s main exports are cutting-edge technology found nowhere else in the world. Russia’s main export is oil. Western and European Union countries were fine getting their oil elsewhere, but they absolutely do not want to give up advanced tech. Especially since there will always be other countries that don’t care and will continue trading anyway.
Israel ain’t Taiwan. What tech do you think is indispensable there?
Mostly software based tech. Israel is leading in the field of “legal” spyware for example.
Extralegal!
You have a point there.
It’s security software - firewalls, VPNs, that sort of thing. It’s not that it’s not available anywhere else, but the Israeli stuff was always considered among the best before this conflict kicked off.
It’s also weapons. Many of which are sold as “battle tested” because they were tested in Palestine.
Maybe they mean this sort of thing.
Bioscience and Military tech are also fields Isreali companies excel at.
I often hear of Bioscience “breakthroughs” from Israel which amount to nothing but hype.
What military tech apart from Iron Dome? (which protects against crappy home made rockets)
Israel sells billions worth of weapons a year, sometimes to repressive regimes like the Myanmar junta.
It also innovates quite heavily in that space.
I have been noticing a number of doctors mentioning a new kind of burn on children in Gaza. Israel routinely deploys new weapons there, and this may well be a new example of testing experimental weapons in Gaza
No. Israel must change, Netanyahu must resign.
Action: skirt congress rules to give Israel shells to continue bombing indiscriminately
Words: You need to change, you’re losing support.
Which is it? And can you guess which speaks louder.
Sounds like a lot of hot air coming from the guy who bypassed congress to float an extra $106,000,000 so the IDF can use more guns and bombs on civilians.
I used to be a vote blue no matter who, afraid of Trump fascism, but a statement must be made that this is not okay.
He’s already walked it back again anyway. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-gaza-war-live-white-house-walks-back-biden-remarks-that-israel-was-losing-international-support-over-gaza-bombing/ar-AA1lqsz4
It was probably just a gesture to appease his moderate backers consdering he’s doing pretty badly in the polls.
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Biden to Bibi: “don’t make the same mistakes we made in 9/11. There’s no reason why we had to be in a war in Afghanistan.”
There’s really no reason why we had to be in a war in Iraq. Afghanistan… yeah, probably not there, either, especially given how intimately we understood how well they had been trained at guerilla warfare against foreign invaders.
Although, that’s not guite accurate; there were reasons, they were just serving different, less publically recognized, purposes. Much like Netanyahu’s war.
Well Iraq, the first time, yes. They invaded Kuwait which in my opinion did legitimise the first gulf war (though opinions may vary). Though IMO it should have happened under UN flag but of course the security council is forever locked into a stalemate.
The second war, no. Whatever it was… Made-up WMD’s, funding of military industrial complex, Dubya’s desire to finish daddy’s pet project, whatever. A real reason there was not.
Yupp.
Strong words from the anti ceasefire country. A real moral stand here.
Didn’t he just go all “I’m a Zionist?” And claim that he will never stop supporting Israel? Somehow I think he is being a bit disingenuous here.
Clearly speaking out of both sides of his mouth and it’s glaringly obvious.
You expect Biden to remember what he said from one moment to the next?
One fascist to another “dude, can you chill for a sec? you’re making me look bad”
