There it is, Israel is annexing Gaza. No more Palestinian state.
The Palestinian state is in the West Bank (about 16x the land area of Gaza).
It would be more accurate to say that the Palestinian state lost control of Gaza to Hamas, and Hamas is losing Gaza to Israel.
It would be more accurate to say Israel is stealing it
Hamas initiated a war with a horrific military/terrorist attack on Israeli civilians on October 7. Sometimes when a belligerent starts a war, it ends up losing territory.
Israel started a war with Palestinians with their occupation in 1967 (if we forget the whole Nakba thing).
Look man, bad shit happens in war. Just don’t pretend to be the fucking good guy when your militant to civilian kill ratio is 1:3.
According to Wikipedia the ratio for the October 7 attack was around that figure, yes:
- 859 civilians
- 282 soldiers
- 57 policemen
- 10 Shin Bet members
Plus the rapes, tortures, and abductions.
Yes we know, and that’s why we are all so curious to find out why you only give a shit about Israeli civilians. You cunt.
I think we all know the answer to that question.
They think there are no civilians in Gaza, only Hamas and other animals that need to be exterminated.
I mean, an israeli spokesman on cable news wouldn’t even admit that Israel had killed babies in the mass bombings.
So, if only hamas has been killed, and by the Israeli govts own talking points no other humans, then the ratio is like 15000 Militants : 0 Civilians.
Probably the best war ever guys!
And now it’s the reverse on a 10:1 ratio.
The Palestinian Authority only has exclusive security control of roughly 18% of the West Bank – Area A. However the IDF basically enters it whenever they deem it necessary anyway, so exclusive is a misnomer.
The PA has joint security control with Israel in 22% known as Area B. The rest of the West Bank – 60% in Area C – is under direct Israeli control. Area C is where all the illegal Israeli settlements are. Palestinians are also pretty much never granted building permits, etc in Area C. And it’s worth noting that Areas A and B are non-contiguous as dotted islands of control inside of Area C.
The West Bank is a Bantustan. Plain and simple.
It would be more accurate to say that the Palestinian state lost control of Gaza to Hamas, and Hamas is losing Gaza to Israel.
Not wrong, but same outcome.
I’m not really sure what other outcome Hamas thought there would be when they launched their Oct. 7 attacks and then are continuing to hold hostages. Widespread killing and sexual violence launched from Gaza against Israel, killing ~1,400? Whether or not you agree with Israel’s actions since then, it should’ve been apparent to anybody that Israel was going to retaliate in a major way, they shoot kids who throw stones at them, like they weren’t going to respond with a massively disproportionate show of force. I guess they wanted to spark a greater war against Israel in the Middle East, that seems like the only other outcome that “makes sense”, but does the rest of the Middle East care that much about the Palestinians to get into another war with Israel? It sucks for the people caught in the middle just trying to live their lives.
Hamas didn’t have a plan beyond “shake the hornets nest and hope the other side puts us in a better position after the rubble is cleared.” They just wanted to cause a disturbance that would put them on the world stage again.
Gambling that Arab states actually give a shit about Palestinians beyond what domestic political advantage they can provide is a bet that hasn’t generally paid off.
I think they’re still not entirely over the whole “Jordanian king visits Al-Aqsa and gets assassinated by Palestinian terrorist” business from way back in 1951.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_I_of_Jordan#Assassination
Hamas took hostages so Israel would come after them of course. They’d been unsuccessful provoking them with small attacks prior.
Sadly for the Palestinians, Hamas is actively trying to use them as war propaganda by forcing a war and as much suffering as possible. Why? To isolate Israel and soften it up for the larger attack.
Hamas took hostages because hostages are one of the few ways they can secure concessions from Israel. This is the status quo Israel created in 2006.
By this logic, Israel had already annexed all of Palestine before the 2005 withdrawal.
Not to mention, Israel has managed security in the West Bank forever. If Ramallah has actually been annexed, it’s rather strange that you won’t find any Jews there, and that it’s actually illegal for Israelis to even visit this apparently annexed territory.
Perhaps the situation is slightly more complex than that.
Security for Israelis, not for Palestinians.
Israel bans Israelis from visiting Ramallah because they don’t want Israelis interacting with Palestinians, and especially shopping in Palestinian businesses.
Ethnic cleansing.
Not at all. Read the definition of ethnic cleansing.
Maybe you read it.
I have.
Do it again.
I have and it still does not relate to Israel. Death of 15k whilst the number of Palestinians is 5 million is not genocide. Surely, it’s terrible but it’s not a genocide especially considering how many of them died due to lack of bunkers in Gaza.
Oh sweet summer child you gave away the game.
“Death of 15k whilst the number of Palestinians is 5 million is not genocide. Surely, it’s terrible but it’s not a genocide…”
Please tell the class what words we were looking to define that you so confidently assured us you had read multiple times??
No one else wants it (being peacekeepers) - or do you know anyone?
Doubt it, 15% of Israel are Muslim. They would become Israeli citizens like the rest did.
If Israel actually gave all Palestinians Israeli citizenship, you’d be right. But, that’s not going to happen. Why do you think the Nakba happened and Israel keeps rejecting Palestinian right of return? They want Israel to have a Jewish majority and they’re willing to commit Apartheid and ethnic cleansing to get it.
They should let the people literally trying to murder them for the last 70 years elect their leaders? Brilliant plan.
Not doing this is apartheid/ethnic cleansing? Please. Gaza was given the chance to elect their leaders, they chose Hamas and intifada.
I bet they could negotiate for a right of return provided they are willing to pacify themselves and sue for a viable peace.
The Nakba happened because Palestinians declared war on Israel and lost.
You’re a disgusting and pathetic human being.
Edit: BTW how do I report people to the instance admins?
You’re a disgusting and pathetic human being.
Edit: BTW how do I report people to the instance admins?Pretty sure disagreeing with you isn’t against the rules. You just violated rule 5, however.
For justifying genocide/ethnic cleansing (take your pick).
I’m suggesting that those terms do not accurately describe what’s happening.
Second-class citizens. Almost all palestinians do not even have the right to vote, and even those who do have fewer rights.
Gazans were given the right to vote and they voted for Hamas, who did a coup and made sure that no other elections would be held again.
Are you talking about Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, or Arab Israeli citizens with a Palestinian background? Because those are two very different legal categories. Arab Israelis have full legal rights. Palestinians don’t, because they’re not Israelis, which I’m pretty sure is something we all agree on. Israel doesn’t claim them, and you’d be screaming ethnic cleansing if it did.
Props to the graphic designer.
Now what’s the exact issue you have? People who are not Israeli citizens and do not live in Israel cannot vote in Israeli elections. People who are citizens and who do live in Israel can vote. The housing discrimination that mentions is gross, I’ll admit, but that’s the main objectionable thing I see.
Do you want Israel to annex the West Bank or something?
I don’t want it, but even in the case of gaza and the west bank they are de facto under israeli control or even under permanent military occupation, with no expectation of diminishing but the opposite, isn’t this essentially an annexation but denying their rights?
gaza and the west bank they are de facto under israeli control or even under permanent military occupation,
Probably because they remain at war with Israel and have yet to stop attacking them or make a viable peace, choosing endless intifada and it’s predictable consequences instead.
The exact issue is that Israel is repeating both the holocaust and apartheid all at the same time.
Since fucking when is it NOT an issue that people don’t have the same rights? Wtf
Repeating those words like a mantra only serves to dilute them because you’re using them inappropriately.
Both Holocaust and apartheid generally refer to denying people rights or killing them because of their genetics and that’s clearly not what’s happening here. Israel is at war with Palestine because Palestine keeps trying to murder Israelis, not because of Palestinian genetics.
If you think anything happening is remotely comparable to the Holocaust, you don’t know anything about the Holocaust. If Israel was trying to exterminate Palestinians the way the Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, Gaza would be a sheet of right now.
I also don’t have the right to vote in Israel, which makes sense, seeing as I don’t live there and I’m not a citizen. I weirdly don’t have the right to vote in Germany or Russian either.
And did you ask yourself why they don’t have the right to vote? It was decision made by Hamas and PLO not to organize another election.
So outright annexation.
In multiple steps, yes.
Hey look that’s what we’ve been saying all along. Israel just looking to annex more land.
This article has been removed by AP - the URL links to the live update stream from Dec 6th, and links from other articles to this one are similarly broken.
Was this article formally retracted?
The link works just fine for me.
The link works just fine for me.
Which lemmy client are you using?
The title of the linked article is “Israel moves into Gaza’s second-largest city and intensifies strikes in bloody new phase of the war”, which appears to have been appended to the post URL:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-12-05-2023-8f171da297b565e28156b88d1fc250b1 Israel moves into Gaza's second-largest city and intensifies strikes in bloody new phase of the warStandard chrome browser.
Link works fine
Nah, OP just picked a sentence from the article and used that as a title to generate the specific response they wanted.
It’s as if they’re tired of Gaza constantly attacking them…weird that.
It’s as if people aren’t happy their land was stolen from them… Weird that.
If you answer to that is to gun down and rape a bunch of people at a music festival, I’m not going to be terribly sympathetic.
If your answer to that is to bomb hospitals killing children and innocent civilians because maybe it’ll hit a terrorist too, I have no sympathy, you’re a war criminal
Congrats on realizing that both sides suck here. Welcome to nuanced centrism.
Centrism is without nuance.
Brilliant effort there mate.
