Hot take: corporatism and infotainment. You control money and information, you control the world.
Nope education is the downfall. Teach critical thinking well and you won’t have such a malleable idiotic population that buys into either of those.
That’s maybe a part, but not the whole story.
Your (and your parents’, and your peers’) real and perceived economic circumstances and opportunities have a lot to do with what you’ll value and prioritize as an adult - how invested and loyal you’ll be in society. Every poor person we generate due to greedy decisions has a very high likelihood of being a destructive force back to us.
Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.
Imo greed is an lack of education. As education is ideally schooling +life experience. Part of that critical thinking section needs to be taught by experience and society in the us at least didn’t give anyone enough time to see the world before deciding what to do, how to live and what kind of person you want to be.
as an adult
That’s an interesting way to frame things.
Now consider how many poor people were generated by black slavery, segregation, and explicit racism in America, and how, in a society, we all just swim around in the same trauma soup, deflecting pain towards one another.
That’s a nice thought 😳
Education was destroyed by the same people who forced corporate news down our throats.
Correct, but one had to go before the other.
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Almost none of my well educated professional-managerial class peers have developed class consciousness. They seem to be even more class clueless than blue & pink collar workers.
Pitchshifter warned us.
Man I used to have the dopest pitchshifter wife beater when I was 18
The 90s industrial/nu metal band?
Industrial then switched genres to Industrial Punk, but yeah.
Neat. Just was not at all expecting to see Pitchshifter in this discussion. (sorry I called them nu metal, felt strange to me too)
Yeah, I guess they did warn us. I didn’t really grasp the lyrics when I was younger. Even RATM was lost on me until I hit my 30s…
I’m safe in the knowledge that we’ll all be saved.
? By who?
This is the coldest take on Lemmy. Not that it’s wrong, though.
The question “Where did we go wrong?” being asked on 4chan in /b/ is funny to me.
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This was my feeling as well. Hey Anon, go look in the fuckin’ mirror if you want to know where we went wrong.
Don’t vote Conservative
Next year will mark my 16th year voting for democrats, all they do is kick the can and move the line. While I don’t think there is anything wrong with saying don’t vote conservative, I do think it’s a bit like saying “CLOSE YOUR WINDOWS” when a tornado is coming. We’re screwed regardless of who we vote for, the only thing that changes is the rate at which we’re screwed; that is why Anon is sick of life.
The FPTP voting system means everyone is held hostage voting for the party they hate the least. If you vote for a third party you just make it more likely the party you hate most will win because the vote is split.
Obviously things still wouldn’t be perfect with a proportional voting system but I think it would take some power away from capitalist oligarchs because we will be able to vote for a party we like without just making the fascists more likely to win. The issue is the only two parties you can realistically vote for are highly incentivised to not change the voting system because they will lose a lot of the power they have.
The Dems can’t do anything without a majority. Give them a true majority where Sinema and Man Chin can’t hold things up. Then stand the fuck back.
Well, at least you’ve got a heads-up and some choice on how fast you get screwed.
We just got a guy we didnt choose who just suddenly and royally f🇷🇺ks everyone over every few years or so
Dont vote Neo-Liberal.
America is the world.
Eat the rich
Too fatty. Better to use them for biofuel.
Hate your fellow man not the guys unconsentually gang banging your chocolate starfish
Somewhere around 20 years ago/b/ was one of the first aggressively “us vs them” communities I was ever exposed to, and it only got worse from there.
Where did we go wrong? We stopped killing fascists. Appeasement never works when one party has no interest in concession.
BINGO.
The reconstruction of the south shouldn’t have ended until 1960, giving near a hundred years to set things right. Instead chickenshit halfhearts let the south return to political power and return to treating POC like slaves. Then they let their grandchildren build fucking monuments and statues to slavemongers.
I wonder if US insistance on the Nuremberg Trials was a result of seeing the results of failing to hold their own fascists adequately accountable after the civil war.
from what I’ve read, not really. it was so hard to get many held and charged in the first place, the trials were very much a race against time to see how many the could convict before sentiment in germany turned.
The nazis did base a lot of their hateful shit on crimes the state and other racists perpetrated against americans tho. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler
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I wasn’t aware that countries in South America ever rebelled against the US constitution, insisted on the enslavement of their fellow citizens and then lost a war about that issue, requiring their slaveocracies that we burned to the ground to be reconstructed…
Oh my god. Do you people ever stop.
If only you could make a list of all the fascists and go door to door and drag them out into the street and execute them.
Then everything would be OK!
so many people are getting to the point that they can identify that capitalism has caused human society to self-digest and go to shit, yet so many will give the most asinine dog-brained reasons as to why. It’s reassuring to see people starting to wake up but frustrating to see them groggy, incoherent, and still half-asleep. 95 times out of a hundred they’ll blame “corporatism” or welfare queens or race mixing or overpopulation or some shit and it’s just exhausting
And when they say “corporatism”, rather than the capitalist aspects of corporations draining the life from society, they’ll instead be referring to whenever a company does something they consider “woke”.
I have yet to find a good, reasonable solution. Capitalism is the least bad that I have seen.
You haven’t seen New Economic Policy. It’s still capitalism, but don’t eat people as much.
Um, it was created by Lenin.
Yes. Doesn’t change fact that it is still capitalism.
Capitalism is tearing me apart Lenin!
Welcome to being poor … I mean poor poor … not the kind of poor where you can’t afford a Lamborghini … the kind of poor where you no longer have any luxuries like being able to go to the movies.
Where life is a constant hassle and struggle to survive. And where you constantly have to fight to stay above water. A kind of life where someone is constantly either trying to screw you, is screwing you or has screwed you. A kind of life where you no longer trust the people you see, the people you meet, or the people you live with. A kind of life where you know from the time you are born that everything and everyone will be hard.
I grew up like that and it became a normal part of life.
I learned to make a bit of money and survive and I’ve done good but not great … good enough to travel the world. It gave me the insight that the majority of the world is poor … I thought that before but after traveling, I realized just how true that really is.
The world we’re complaining about now is the world that most of the world already knows.
Welcome to being poor and hopeless.
I think this is less about being poor or struggling to survive, more about the struggle to find meaning in modern life.
I’m doing well in life. Could certainly be doing better (who couldn’t), but my bills are paid, and there’s food on my table. I don’t worry about these things, and I don’t struggle. But there have certainly been times when I’ve felt the sentiment of the OP. When your needs are met and you feel a sort of emptiness, trying to fill the boredom with the next best dopamine hit. I almost feel like I’m just floating through life, not yearning for, yet waiting for the day it all ends.
10.2% of US households aren’t food secure in the richest country on the planet with limitless food accessibility. I’m pretty sure it is about being poor and struggling to survive.
I don’t disagree with food insecurity being a major issue in the US, I just don’t get the vibe that that’s the topic of the OP.
I once described this to someone as:
You know you’re poor when you realize how bad powdered milk is compared to real milk. You know you’re really, really hungry when powdered milk tastes good.
And then there’s the idiots who try to use this reasoning to glorify a nonexistent nostalgia based version of “the good old times” when really capitalism is the problem
I’ve found that disconnecting helps. Leave your phone at home and go out. Chat with the guy you see every day at the grocery store. Go play chess or pétanque in the park with a friend. You don’t have to do this too often, and you’ll feel less like a product yourself.
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Especially the elderly in my experience. The generation that used to tell us not to believe everything we see on the internet is now glued to Facebook.
Addiction is a lot easier when you make the surroundings more hellish and thus the substance more palatable
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My parents use Wechat
Dear Faust. I’m not sure what worse.
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I don’t use any of those, but if you are not in China and will never visit it, then Wechat maybe fine for you. Build your own threat model.
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Of course, the big question with the line “I’m tired of being told to hate my fellow man” is whether they’re referring to the constant fearmongering being pushed by conservative news and politicians against everyone who isn’t in their in-group.
Or are they referring to non-conservatives calling out the bigotry being pushed by conservatives and doing that calling out is “pushing hatred on your fellow man” in this person’s eyes?
Since a lot of 4chan is the latter while actively being a part of the former.
I hate you, my fellow man.
Oh my God shut up
I think it’s pretty clear which of the two examples you fit.
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Oh new account made 5 minutes ago, please do tell what the “fearmongering” is on the left. Climate change? Needing to actually do the minimal effort to prevent Covid spread?
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Their account says “Joined 7 minutes ago” for me and the above is their only comment.
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Is this supposed to be a “the world has turned into shit” take, even though it’s been like this for ages (way before the 4chan poster, or anyone alive for that matter, was born)?
Yeah, this is a common fascist recruitment tactic. “The world has gone to shit, things were better before.”
This is the call to return to the golden past, a perfect time before “they” took it away from “us.” In reality, as you point out, that golden past never existed. However, once people have it framed in their minds that their chance at utopia was “taken” from them, there’s almost nothing they don’t feel justified in doing to take it back.
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There was also a time where we killed someone who disagreed with us instead of being sad about it on the Internet too.
That was a very limited boon made possible off of the backs of the cumulative dead of several modern wars. Prior to that, the notion of “home ownership” wasn’t even a thing for the most part.
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Then we must start WW3 then
It’s been far too long since the sociopaths were put in their place. Now they have all the money in the world and can hire sycophants to be their personal armies.
My family wasn’t rich and I didn’t have many luxuries, but I still claim to have been much happier than many children who live in this hectic world where everything is so superficial. 90% of ordinary people don’t even dare to have an opinion anymore if it’s not exactly what the mainstream represents.
