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Speaking as a Canadian… Yes, we know.
You guys had the most trustworthy, most reliable ally ever. The faith and trust between Canada and the US was legendary.
That’s gone now. It’ll be a century or more before you can ever rebuild that trust.
And you threw it away for this drooling moron to play tinpot dictator.
Was it worth it?
I assume certain short-term things will get better with anyone less crazy than Trump, but I agree the US is no longer reliable for anything long-term, and no other country should deal with us on the assumption that we’ll give up certain short-term advantages for a long term stability within our sphere of influence. It’s not even that the US was “good” (though I imagine the next hegemonic power could easily be worse), but across administrations, the US was generally intelligent about how to leverage its influence but retain enough goodwill to continue to do so indefinitely.
This administration is showing the world how poorly codified and vulnerable the US democracy is.
Yup. I joked that we’re still on Constitutional Republic version 2.27, and not only is the next point release long overdue, but we should really have upgraded to version 3 or 4 by now.
Woah, we only just finally left the beta and are on constitution republic 1.27. The articles of confederation is more of an alpha test that was not good and tried the constitutions and while it worked, it never left the beta stage as , it just used spaghetti code that led to the civil war, which people wanted to upgrade to the first release won and started the reconstruction era, and caused the final release of 1.15. The south downgraded it back to beta after using violence to restrict people rights and remake the antebellum south under beta 15.01. We finally left after the civil rights movement forced them to put it at 1.25, with no restrictions on people rights. Though we need to not upgrade yet as someone is trying to install banana republic instead.
This country makes a lot more sense if you think of it as a Linux server run by feuding sysadmins all trying to run their own package managers
Was it worth it?
Southerners: “Yes, but we get to abuse brown people again!”
And say the “R-word” apparently
Redneck?
Canadian hard R
Sorry… 😞
No. I have zero interest in your apologies. Not you, not any American whose first instinct is to tell us how sorry they are. I’m sure you’re all wonderful people, but we’re well past the point where that matters.
I never, ever, want to hear the word “Sorry” from any of your lips while I’m living with the reality that people I love might die to American bombs and bullets. I am not obligated to assuage your fucking conscience by dignifying your apologies while you all sit around hanging your heads in worthless shame.
We do not want or need your apologies. We want your rage. Get angry. Get out in the streets. Fucking do something.
And when Trump is gone and every last fascist has been hunted down and your government is run like an actual democracy, and your voters have learned how to value and respect friendships with countries outside of your own… Then you can come to us and say sorry.
I think this bears repeating.
We will make you forget Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The insurrection will be continent wide and we will just walk over the border and start looting weapons.
We are tougher than anyone thinks and can survive just fine pretending to be homeless or just in your woods or in a looted home.
We will live among you indistinguishable until something good to blow up comes along, or an American needs tied to a tree with their dick in their mouth.
You’ll never feel safe. You’ll never be safe.
Promise.
Just a reminder to non-canadians that a core part of Canadian identity has always been not being American. It’s a quasi-colonized pov. Make it real and it will be life-or-death for many many folk.
Yep, I frequently hear people bitching about the state of things in Canada and someone almost always follows up with “eh it could be worse, at least we’re not murican”
Fuck murica.
We’re not always great a describing who we are, but we sure as fuck know who we are not.
Russia Ukraine vibes
I think that we Canadians would be more than happy to add to the Geneva checklist should it come to this.
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Not to mention us Americans who would fight and sabotage for Canadian forces.
If a Canadian tank rolled down the street the next day, I would run out asking to go with them
You’re making it sound way harder than it is, The US has like 4? substations that if they all went down at once it would cascade fail about 90% of the grid, they aren’t in bunkers or surrounded by armed guards or anything, they’re random ass substations with chain link fences around them.
Hopefully the Canadians will team up with blue states and we can fight any war he tries inflicting on Canada. I am moving from Texas if we ever invade Canada, most likely Washington
dont worry, the Police , Red State Military, and Private Militias will already have arrested , put a gun to the head of, or straight up killed any potential blue state rebel figureheads before they make a move like invading Canada or Mexico.
this is black and white, a Fascist coup that has taken over America.
Hey, just a lone Canuck on a 10 state fire season careless smoking tour of the wests national forests oughta do it. People forget that we’re largely upwind.
And upstream, but that’s a whole other level of sabotage.
The Geneva Convention did need an update
Please don’t view AMERICA as your enemy, just MAGA. They may be in control of the government at the moment, but they don’t control us.
Remember that HitlerPig’s following is only about 1/3 of the country, and they are breath-takingly stupid. MOST of Americans are your allies, and will happily fight alongside you to take both of our countries back from the Nazis.
Every Soldier in the Wehrmact who was in Allied territory, was an enemy, regardless of his opinion of Hitler and the party
Every Soldier in the Russian Army, or shitbag Mercenary who is in Ukraine, is an enemy, regardless of their opinion of Putin and Russkiy Mir
Any American who decides to just go along with orders of an invasion of an allied country , will be treated as such. An illegal occupant, an enemy combatant, a legitimate target.
No matter how anyone wants to spin it. Soldiers have options, they may be thrown in the brig for insubordination, they may be forced to frag their officer and go AWOL. But choosing to just go along with your orders, Illegal or otherwise, is complicit guilt in the crime.
I’m not talking about an invading army. By all means, you should treat them with as much lethal force as you can muster. But the vast majority of Americans are as against that invading army as you are. Any American soldier who does not respond to orders to invade by defecting, is considered a MAGA traitor, and is fair game, by both Canada and American Patriots.
“Just following orders” is never a justification. Following illegal orders is illegal.
I hear ya, and mean this with all due respect and just as a counterpoint.
I think the world, and especially Canada, aren’t wrong to expect Americans as a whole to not let it get to that point - democratically, seriously. We have been, happily and willingly, consuming an entire culture of freedom and defence against tyranny. Your news is our news, including all of the violence and rationalization of it - defence of freedom.
We know your massive protests and hard won civil rights because your media is our media just like your products are our bilateral lifelines.
If it gets to the point of invasion I think it’s fair to consider all of America having stabbed us in the back.
Edit: just to try and be lighter about it - it’s like we all took in your movies and books and documentaries but America themselves in a staggering ratio seem to have missed the point or identified the wrong protagonist.
If it gets to the point of invasion I think it’s fair to consider all of America having stabbed us in the back.
Please rethink that. MAGA represents a small and shrinking number of Americans. Many millions of us voted against them, and yet they used their nefarious resources to rig the election and take power. We have been stabbed in the back as much as you would be.
If the MAGA Nazis decide to invade Canada, you can double your forces by calling on the Patriotic Americans who want the Nazis out as much as you do.
AMERICA is not your enemy, MAGA is. Please remember that, we are on YOUR side, and want to assist you in defeating MAGA. If it comes down to an invasion of Canada, MAGA will have an Army, and Canada will have an Army, and the American Patriots will have motivated fighters who will enthusiastically assist the Canadian army to defend your sovereignty, and we are spread all over America. Make use of that valuable resource, and your defeat of MAGA will be much easier.
We’re waiting with bated breath.
We are, too. The tipping point is coming, but it is always impossible to predict how or when that will happen. But make no mistake, it WILL happen.
So many of us have friends and family across the border. We know American people are fellow humans like anyone else and that the enemy is MAGA fascism.
Any American I see traveling in Canada without a MAGA hat will be welcomed by me with open arms. Canadians have a degree of empathy for what you’re dealing with because we feel threatened by the fascist takeover too.
Canadians and Americans who give a damn about respecting peoples’ dignity, no matter their gender or race, will stand in solidarity.
Thanks, I appreciate that. We already have brutal enemies within our own country, we don’t need our neighbors hating us for the actions of those enemies. If America falls to the Maga Nazis, so will Canada. We have to band together to crush and purge them.
Just the South, and they have been the enemy of humanity for centuries, because they care far less about America than they do about their own racism, so much so that they went to war with America in the name of racism.
Ignorance and authoritarian sympathies aren’t drawn on an east west or north south basis anymore.
No, but they originated from the South.
I grew up in a lovely midwestern town, then nafta ended and the vile filth infested us and brought their crime and drugs with them, my town became a nightmare in 2 years.
The rest of the country didn’t want slavery, they didn’t want Jim Crow, they didn’t try to elect segregationists.
Our evil was very, VERY centralized, and it was our mistake for not dealing with them properly after the civil war and preventing their pestilence from spreading.
No, but they originated from the South.
FFS, how do you think Jim Crow ended?
If Southern anti-segregationists and civil rights groups had not stood firm against discrimination, Jim Crow would have never ended.
“Southerners” is not a synonym for ex-slaveowners and segregationists. Denigrating the entirety of the South for the actions of a few is gross.
Also, your remarks have lead me to believe that you seem to think racism simply never existed in the North, which is just an entirely laughable concept.
Some of the most violent resistance to the civil rights movement, was in Chicago, a lovely Midwestern town as you might put it.
If Southern anti-segregationists and civil rights groups had not stood firm against discrimination, Jim Crow would have never ended.
Please, the south stood firm for discrimination, they stood so firm the south switched parties en masse in reaction to civil rights.
Just like 100 years earlier the south had to be drug to decency at gunpoint.
Also, your remarks have lead me to believe that you seem to think racism simply never existed in the North, which is just an entirely laughable concept.
I am brown, and partly grew up in the south, and Midwest, and the coasts.
PLEASE!!! Lecture me on how racism is equal everywhere and not just massively and brutally expressed in the south.
I am DYING to hear how my experiences were all a lie.
Many of us have reason to hate the south, just like I’m sure a lot of Jews had bad feelings about the nazis.
And the nazis actually copied many of their policies from the south verbatim, particularly the Nuremberg Laws from Jim crow.
If the south had a single grain of decency and shame within them, they’d spontaneously combust, lucky for them they don’t.
A geographical region is not uniform in it’s beliefs. You can dislike an area without claiming everyone who lives there is evil.
It is idiotic (and fascistic) to say that the ENTIRE population of an ENTIRE geographic region are ALL demons. It’s simply not true.
If you grew up in the south, you are literally self-deprecating by saying such things.
Yeah, there would be war crimes.
All I’ll say is I’ll be watching where fire bans are in effect if it ever comes to that.
IEDs. Just sayin’.
Not to mention we are FINE with snow, cold and winter. That’s shorts & t shirt weather for us. Pussy Americans can suck balls.
I love the energy. But if you’re gonna compare Canada to Vietnam I have to point out the obvious geographic and climate differences; along with its proximity and distance from the US.
Get nukes Canada. Seriously, how do you guys not have fucking nukes?
You might consider being the Cuba/USSR with China of this generation. Not even kidding.
We produce uranium. We can have nukes in 6 months if we want. In the meantime, we have France’s.
6 months is a long time. I’d get to work.
Gooning to a theoretical war is wild.
Truly the dumbest timeline
And we aren’t trolling when we say you’ll sign your own death warrant, as a nation, and as a person.
the richest nation on earth with a military budget larger than the domestic budget of dozens of countries combined, couldnt stomach a fight against dirt poor cavemen, armed with cold war and WW2 relics, on the other side of the world, who were so culturally alien to them, they might as well have been from mars. And you’re going to pick a fight with people who all they have to do is wear a Bruins hat and they pass for an American?
Ask the Russians how the occupation of their Ukrainian cousins territory has worked out. If you could speak to the dead that is. Those who are still alive, live looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.
I sure as hell wouldn’t want the job of securing logistics in the northern woods with a bunch of angry Canucks running around.
We wouldn’t even have to fight that hard, just deny resources. February would whittle down the numbers quite nicely.
Who armed to the teeth
couldnt stomach a fight against dirt poor cavemen
And yet, you think you haven’t succumbed to American brainrot.
Yeah, because the Taliban are the pinnacle of a sophisticated, civilized society, worthy of worldwide emulation.
/s since it’s sadly necessary these days.
It just sounds weird to call your enemies cavemen honestly. I know they’re the fucking Taliban and stuff, but there’s something to it that is hard to explain. If we’d be talking about Sam Losco on the other hand, that’d be a different story as that guy is a literal caveman.
A lot of them were literally living in caves, so…
Also I think we can relax the PC rules a bit when we’re saying someone that thinks women are property is a caveman.
The Russian occupation is actually turning out more or less fine, the Russian government is better at finding and eliminating organized dissent than at pretty much anything else. They’ve been having some trouble against the regular army however
Weird, I seem to recall there being some very big explosions happening in Russia like all of the time.
I guess Russia is very good at rooting out organized dissent and preventing commando operations, just very bad at enforcing no smoking rules around explosives?
What makes you think those are commando infantry operations by locals rather than airstrikes from ukraine
What makes you think it makes a difference? Targets in Russia are blowing up either way.
Also some of the big booms in Russia happened far enough away from Ukraine that it’s unlikely a drone strike. I suppose they still could be, but the drone operator would need to be inside Russia to make that happen.
if they were local ops, they’d be happening more or less uniformly all over russia instead of what we’re actually seeing, which is that they’re happening near the ukrainian border and steadily moving further out as ukr drone tech improves
Shit randomly getting blown up from IEDs, Drones and Grenade attacks, people being killed on the street, none of that is fine.
We’re taking care of their military. We’re taking care of every aspect of their lives, and we don’t need them to make cars for us,” Trump told Time. “In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.
Then stop importing and we’ll see how long before it’s a problem for the people.
He’s completely delusional. We fought in US wars cause the US needed OUR military. Canada has never asked the US to defend us. Fuck Trump, Fuck MAGA. Fuck the tens of millions of HitlerPig sycophants.
“In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.”
So he DOES need things from us. If he didn’t need us he’d just walk away and not trade with us. But why would he he want us as a state if we didn’t have something he wanted?
He DOES need us, our workers, and our resources but he doesn’t like that we’re our own sovereign nation. He needs us but he wants us enslaved and controlled.
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Preventing a shit show like this was literally why the second amendment was written
The second amendment was written so that there would be militias, who could act quickly, in spread-out, often frontier locations, in case of foreign incursion, giving the military proper time to respond.
That’s too kind
China is walking this dumbass like a dog. How about we don’t tie ourselves to this sinking ship.
Russia is a dying country, and they’re trying to graft the Ukrainian Population onto itself to buy itself another generation
America is also probably a dying country, for different reasons, not population but resource. and they’re trying to graft whatever resources they dont have in abundance , so they can survive another generation or two and shut themselves off from the world whilst they tear themselves apart domestically.
That seems like a beauty way to go.
He’s so eloquent when he speaks, like listening to a butterfly’s wings wafting over a boiling toilet
I like to idly game this out because it truly reflects how narcissistic and uninformed he is. So, he’s talking about admitting Canada as a single state. Lets assume somehow that happens, even though the Canadians themselves would undoubtedly push for as many states as possible if joining the US were the only option.
You’ve now got a new largest state by both population and area, and one that has ridiculous reserves of resources and a coast-to-coast infrastructure. It instantly becomes the most important state. It’s also full of millions of people who didn’t want to be Americans and who’ve had a hundred years of more progressive governance than the US. Congratulations, Republicans, you’ve just skewed the Senate and completely fucked yourself in the House for a generation or more. You’ve also got 8 or 9 million Francophones who weren’t even entirely sure they wanted to be CANADIANS, much less Americans, to say nothing of being Americans in a MAGA world. This is how real troubles begin.
So, in return for dubious “improvements” to the trade deficit, and certain (what?) administrative conveniences (I guess) for a military that already had basically all the access anyone would ever need, as well as a giant buffer territory you’re not politically committed to defending with the same gusto you would your own soil, you completely upset the balance of power in Congress to your own party’s detriment and add a huge population that hates their situation. Brilliant.
Although, I guess if you’re just done with free and fair elections then a lot of these concerns evaporate…
We’d be joined through the Puerto Rico route, as a territory. No representation. The 51 state is just a ruse to get the 17th territory, or whatever the number is.
I’m so fucking tired of Americans saying shit like “omg Canada as the 51st state would totally skew our elections Democrat, get owned Trump!”
The reality is, in any scenario where Canada gets annexed by the US, American democracy will not exist anymore by then. Even if there are fake elections, we’d most likely not be allowed to vote (à la Puerto Rico, as you point out).
I do appreciate someone pointing out how utterly enraged us Francophones would be if subjected to US rule.
Yeah, I guess just assuming ill intent and fascism makes it a simpler discussion that’s still perfectly reasonable.
There’s something very irritating to me about the President using the word “trolling.”
Maybe I’m being a stick in the mud, but the Leader of the Free World using Internet slang just doesn’t seem right to me. It’s petty, I know, but still.
It is not, however, as irritating as people defending the shit he does to throw the global economy and international community into chaos, by saying he’s just trolling.
The term has entered the mainstream lexicon now. It’s not really just Internet slang anymore.
It’s not him trolling us, it’s his dementia trolling us. Or maybe his plain old stupidity. Honestly it’s hard to tell at this point.
How is election security in Canada? There was fuckery in the last presidential election here, and I don’t doubt they’ll try it in Canada too.
Thanks to Elections Canada it’s actually a lot better than the states. We also get answers sooner. There’s nothing like an American election to make Canadians thankful for Elections Canada.
Yeah, our Elections Canada is quite solid.
The influencing of support for our right-wing party endorsed by Elon Musk/Trump/Jordan Peterson via X, Facebook, and campaign financing is the real issue imo.
Christopher Tidus just did two hour and a half long podcasts with a guest. He never has guests. The guest is a veteran that has teamed up with a data analyst and a computer geek. They have the data. The election was stolen. They used every single method from kicking voters off the eligible elector list, to vote switching, to ballot box stuffing. The election was a sham that shows a clear Russian Tail.
Honestly? I know who Chris Titus is. Never figured he’d not be a Trump supporter. Know nothing about him really, and I guess my impression of him was completely wrong. So…uhmmmmm…cool! Thanks for sharing!
I’m about 10 minutes into the first part. And, yeah, this is really really…idfk…fuck. Thanks. I’m really glad you shared this.
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The “mildly tangential ranting” on this comment I made yesterday I think is kinda relevant to this…if only tangentially…
I refer to him as a left leaning Dennis Leary. I can understand why you’d think he was right leaning. He’s got the “middle aged white man funny rant” style of comedy down pat.
This guy seems like he might know what he’s talking about but is there a version that isn’t a 3 hour video?
Like an article or something?
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
That’s the organization that the guy founded. You can find a fair bit there.
What cards does this nipple have? None.
Canada has freedom. America doesn’t anymore. Canadians are never going to agree to rolling back their rights and freedoms for a has been country headed by a fucking dictator wannabe. Canadians will die before anything like that comes to pass. Canada may be no match militarily, but now that Canadians are aware of the dangers … that won’t be the case forever. Unless of course they decide to invade Canada right now… Not likely.
Canada simply can’t afford to match America in conventional warfare. America has a more powerful military than the next 5 countries combined, and Canada isn’t one of those. Unconventional warfare, on the other hand. I can’t think of anything stupider than starting an unconventional war with a neighboring country with an incredibly long, weakly inhabited, border and a population that looks and sounds mostly like your own citizens. If even 1% of Canadians had a problem with that, there would be half a million insurgents that couldn’t be easily identified.
