• @ampersandrew@lemmy.world
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    483 months ago

    If you’re just looking for sales numbers, which we haven’t had much of for a long time, the long and short of it is:

    4M Steam Decks since launch, 2M of all of its competitors combined; expected that all handheld PCs sharing this AMD tech will sell about 2M more this year.

  • Polysics
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    283 months ago

    They are, in almost every way, taking the console model approach. Updates when there is a significant generational leap and not just yearly updates because AMD made a slightly faster APU (though they did the switch to switch OLED thing but no one complained about that because they kept the LCD models for sale and the OLED really is nicer), selling at a loss (and making up for it in game sales) and of course, the ease of use that a console interface offers over a traditional PC interface.

    Then they step it up beyond that by making it as open as possible (software/emulation, games from any source, it’s really a PC) and making the hardware repairable (making parts available and easy to fix in the first place,) and of course, cheap games and practically every game you’d ever want.

    What the other handheld PC companies are lacking is (with some exceptions) repairability, that console experience, and price. Us nerds that can do whatever with technology will do it, so a legion or an ally or a gpd will sell just fine to that demographic, especially for the frame rate chasers. But for most of the rest of people, they would just get a switch or a PS5 or Xbox because it’s just plug in and game, and at least in the case of a Switch or Xbox S, the cost of entry is way lower than a PC, be it a gaming desktop/laptop, or even many of the handheld PC competitors. Yes you can build comparable cheap PCs to an Xbox or PS5, but that means building a PC, and most people don’t want to do that (I’m not talking to you, I know you have a sweet rig.) Yes I know games on PC are usually cheaper especially Steam sales or key seller/bundle sites, but console gamers often don’t consider that, and initial cost of entry is very important to non-enthusiast type people in any given hobby.

    There’s a reason why Nintendo consoles sell so well despite being behind the competition in raw horsepower. It’s the console model (and in their case aggressive exclusivity of their famous IPs)

    The things keeping Sony and Microsoft in the competition are basically the console ease of use, and their all you can eat subscriptions. Even they both realized that they can get more sales putting their games on PC, but that still means forking over MSRP for a single game, so those ps+ and gamepass subs are keeping them afloat at this point.

    I’m a huge tech nerd and have been deep in related industries for over 20 years. I know how to do whatever I want with any pc hardware or software, I own a steam deck, and a rog ally, a proper beefy gaming desktop, a gaming laptop, a Switch, and a PS4. Despite all that, in the past 2 years, easily 90% of my gaming has been on the Steam Deck. It does everything I need it to and more, and it does it anywhere, anyhow. If I want to tweak and tinker with it I can, but more importantly, I can just PLAY GAMES with almost no friction. At home, on a break at work, at the airport waiting for my flight, cozy in bed, wherever, whenever, and fast, and easy.

    The Steam Deck is the swiss army knife game device that childhood me always dreamed of, and now it exists. That is why it’s outselling it’s competition, and genuinely making PC gaming a viable thing for the masses. No it won’t beat Nintendo anytime soon, but it’s gaining steam on them and other consoles faster than any other attempt ever has before, and it will only get better.

    • @lorty@lemmy.ml
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      53 months ago

      The ease of use of the Steam Deck cannot be overstated. Yes you can tinker with it a bunch but if you just want to play your games, you download and play. The windows handhelds will never be as easy since windows is just crap for this (and MS is not interested in improving).

  • @frezik@midwest.social
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    233 months ago

    They got the formula right on this space:

    • Linux, not Windows–Windows provides little that can’t be done on Linux in this space
    • AMD, not Intel–AMD just has better products at this level (any level at this point, really)
    • 720p–going higher doesn’t provide much at this size except suck battery life and requiring a more powerful GPU
    • Price

    Now, price is partially because Valve can afford to subsidize the cost and expect to make it up on Steam sales. I’d be remiss to ignore how they’re making their money. Still, they’re also able to have a good price because they didn’t try to make it as powerful as it could be, but as powerful as it needed to be.

    • @orize@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I wonder how many people, like me, who really use their Steam Deck as a Pirate Deck.

      If I see a game I like on Steam Store I simply go to STEAMRlP and grab it pre-installed. Then I run it through Wine/Proton. Installing dependencies is very easy, thanks to steamdb.info + Wine-/Protontricks.

      Now, some games I do buy afterwards. KCD2 is one example. The Last Flame another. When I know that I enjoy it, I know what I get for my money, then I can make the decision to buy it.

      • @ventusvir@lemmy.world
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        42 months ago

        Well, while probably not universally true, but I’m guessing that if you can afford to buy a steam deck, you can probably afford to buy games

      • @Star@sh.itjust.works
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        I’d guess not many. We’re a bit more Linux/tech savvy here but most users would hear “Wine/Proton” alone and freak out. I bring up my terminal and people somehow think I’m “hacking”. With all the convenience with buying and playing games on Steam, their model works (even on PC, with competing platforms and unlimited piracy potential).

        Edit: They also have a really great refund policy.

  • @ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
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    143 months ago

    Personally, I think the Deck is too big for my tastes, but the beauty of the ecosystem is that anyone can make one while still having almost all the Deck features.

    I’d love to have a Vita or even PSP sized Steam handheld with a great screen for smaller titles, but that comes with its own problems

    • Captain Aggravated
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      123 months ago

      At some point you’re going to struggle to put a capable x86 machine in a device that small.

      • @mlg@lemmy.world
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        63 months ago

        Yeah the one big thing Valve probably won’t touch is ARM because unlike WINE, that’s a whole other beast in which the only valid solution is for game devs to compile for ARM, because translation layers like Rossetta and Box64 will always have 20-30% performance losses.

        • @pycorax@lemmy.world
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          23 months ago

          There’s been reports of Valve looking at ARM for Proton actually but x86 chips keep getting better and more efficient. Not to mention Mali and Adreno are laughably bad compared to Radeon and Arc.

    • @frezik@midwest.social
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      133 months ago

      They’re not, though. There’s quite a few other offerings in this space, and the Steam Deck appears to outsell all of them combined.

  • @SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
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    112 months ago

    Steam deck is awesome.

    With the Desktop mode, a monitor, mouse, and keyboard it’s also just a computer.

    Its been awesome playing games on it then flipping on my VPN and downloading movies and stuff that I can then watch on it.

    The future is now

  • @garretble@lemmy.world
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    83 months ago

    Now that it has been three years, while I’d like to have one, I feel like I’ll just wait until whatever the next version is - even if that means waiting another year or so.

    I don’t need one, particularly, and I don’t want to be caught at the tail end of this hardware.

  • _cryptagion [he/him]
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    62 months ago

    There’s a reason for that, and it’s more than the usual Valve fanboyism. The Deck is objectively a better user experience than the alternatives, Steam Input is a masterpiece, Linux runs games better than Windows now (thanks, Gabe), and the community around it is friendly and super helpful to everyone.

    Even a device with better specs will have trouble surpassing the Deck if they can’t cover these areas as well.

  • @Wooki@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    handheld pc gaming

    Sounds impressive until you see the qualifier

    pc

    Not that impressive.

    Compare it to the whole handheld gaming market!

    • @TheresNodiee@lemm.ee
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      33 months ago

      The whole handheld gaming market is pretty small. There’s the Switch which outsold the last couple gens of Xboxes and PlayStations. Good luck beating that. Besides that you have smartphones which just about everyone owns and only a handful of brands being especially popular. Then you have dedicated Android having handhelds and handheld emulation machines which are extremely niche.

      So either you’re looking at extremely popular and widely owned handheld devices with extensive histories and customer loyalty or extremely niche devices. Not really a great comparison.

      • @Wooki@lemmy.world
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        -12 months ago

        the whole handheld gaming market is pretty small

        Wat!

        Sourced from wikipedia: switch has sold over 150 million units.

        150 million

        small

            • @TheresNodiee@lemm.ee
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              12 months ago

              Ok and? What’s your point?

              I’m just saying there’s not much competition in the handheld space. Either you have massively popular products with an extensive history or extremely niche devices. The handheld PC market is still fairly nascent and Steam Deck dominating it and popularizing it so much (even if it’s not that much compared to, say, the Switch) is still significant.

    • @lorty@lemmy.ml
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      23 months ago

      If you mean the switch, then it has been thoroughly squashed. If you mean phones, well I think we can agree they are not really competing for the same customers, and if you think they do, most people are buying phones for reasons other than gaming. So you’d need a way to section the market for “gaming phones” (yes, that’s a thing).

  • @SolidShake@lemmy.world
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    -353 months ago

    The legion go s with steam OS should replace it 10000% but I don’t know if it will. There will never be a steam deck 2 and the steam deck is already outdated and slow.

      • @SolidShake@lemmy.world
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        -83 months ago

        Well that’s cool. I heard just last year they weren’t going to and instead just make steam os more available. I’m not going to scrounge the internet for one video I saw several months ago sorry.

        But what’s weird is when I look for steam deck 2 I get contradicting info like “steam deck several years away” and in the exact same particle “possibly late 2025”

      • dinckel
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        193 months ago

        Because some people love going off headlines, and not the actual articles, and then further twist information, to promote their narrative.

        They never said there will never be one. They said there won’t be yearly incremental releases, because they want a substantial performance leap. And that is something I strongly admire. Makes the customers feel more secure in their choice, and lets Valve work on new stuff in peace

    • ☂️-
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      113 months ago

      it can still run everything, nothing outdated about it just yet

      • @explodIng_lIme@lemmy.world
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        13 months ago

        That is over generalising. I got Control recently (great game BTW) and it technically runs but isn’t really playable. That said I still love that little machine and it is an auto include in my bag whenever I’m away from my desktop for a longer time.

      • @SolidShake@lemmy.world
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        -23 months ago

        It can “run” everything you mean. I at games that either struggle to stay above 30 or look worse than switch graphics. So because a game can run doesn’t mean it’s viably playable to other people. I think the aim should be medium settings for new games at a steady 40fps for the next deck. But for now we have to rely on Linux optimization.

        • Polysics
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          23 months ago

          I’m sorry man but you are just plain wrong on this front. Try any games that are on Switch and compare them to whatever settings you need to get 30+ fps on a Steam Deck. A couple that come to mind would be The Witcher 3, and The Outer Worlds. The Switch versions of those games are absolutely abysmal to play, but on the Deck you can absolutely play both of them all the way through just fine. No one on the planet should expect a Steam Deck to hold up to a proper gaming rig or even a PS5 Pro, but to say it’s worse than a Switch is just ignorance or a flat out lie.

      • @SolidShake@lemmy.world
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        -23 months ago

        Legion go will have one for mouse. Not great for games I’d imagine. But I’d also imagine 99% of people use the joysticks on a steam deck when playing a game.

        But, software usually dies before hardware does.

    • @the_q@lemm.ee
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      33 months ago

      Tell me how it’s slow? If you turn on fps counters and your goal is to make that number go higher then you’re not using the deck to play games.

      • @SolidShake@lemmy.world
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        -53 months ago

        When you are competing with PCs and home consoles. <30fps is slow in my opinion. Or. Turn the graphics super low and get maybe ~40? The CPU/GPU is subpar The ram is okay for most games, but soon 32 will be the new required standard. The ssd makes apple seem generous…

        I’m not bashing on it, I enjoy the steam deck, but if someone were to say they want to buy one right now I’d suggest waiting for legion go s or “the next steam deck” a few years from now. Unless valve cuts the cost of the steam deck by at least $100 each model, it’s not worth it anymore. There are dozens of better handhelds that you can install steam os on instead.

        Note. I do also realize the steam deck community is hardcore shilly and everything I said will be read but not actually enter a brain and just passed off. Which is fine. Like I said I like the steam deck overall.

        • @the_q@lemm.ee
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          53 months ago

          So you’re comparing a handheld system with full on desktops and consoles… No need to figure the “discussion” then.

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            Bro also fucking hates it when his Toyota corolla can’t keep up with a Ferrari. He gets the car enthusiasts market can be hardcore and shilly though.