• @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Okay, assume that’s the case.

        So the fuck what?

        I keep seeing counterpoints that assume that intent informs effectiveness, when that’s demonstrably just not the case. If your statement is relevant, that means you must be able to draw a causal link between that hypothesis being true and the campaign being ineffective.

  • @TommySoda@lemmy.world
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    34 months ago

    Every time I see something like this my brain always assumes it’s people that actually have the opposite goal and are just trying to make actual activism look bad. Like how all of the “stop smoking” ads are made by tobacco companies. But in all honesty it’s probably just me overthinking it and these guys are just dumb.

    • @FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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      What “stop smoking” ads are made by tobacco companies? When googling, I found a “Philip Morris-funded Foundation for a Smoke-free World”, but nothing about ads.

      • @TheFriar@lemm.ee
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        TRUTH was funded by tobacco giants—because the government made them. It was a settlement agreement, if I’m remembering correctly.

        • @TommySoda@lemmy.world
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          Honestly I think they make those TRUTH ads as cringy as possible to make people hate them. Every time I see one I hate it so much it makes me want to start smoking again.

  • @jkintree@slrpnk.net
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    -24 months ago

    They succeeded in getting attention. Look at all the comments posted here. The issue needs attention. The issue also needs fact checking. I was pleased with fact checking I got from diffy.chat about the wildfires in LA County. Maybe fact checking bots should be included in online discussion forums.

    • @silence7@slrpnk.netOPM
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      24 months ago

      The bots are mostly langauge models, not knowledge models. I don’t regard them as sufficiently reliable to do any kind of fact checking.

      • @jkintree@slrpnk.net
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        The language model for diffy.chat has been trained not to respond from its own learned parameters, but to use the Diffbot external knowledge base. Each sentence or paragraph in a Diffy response has a link to the source of the information.

        • @silence7@slrpnk.netOPM
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          That’s still not into the realm where I trust it; the underlying model is a language model. What you’re describing is a recipe for ending up with paltering a significant fraction of the time.

          • @jkintree@slrpnk.net
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            -14 months ago

            Did you even try diffy.chat to test how factually correct it is and how well it cites its sources? How good does it have to be to be useful? How bad does it have to be to be useless?

            • @silence7@slrpnk.netOPM
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              I tried it. It produces reasonably accurate results a meaningful fraction of the time. The problem is that when it’s wrong, it still uses authoritative language, and you can’t tell the difference without underlying knowledge.

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                04 months ago

                There does need to be a mechanism to keep the human in the loop to correct the knowledge base by people who have the underlying knowledge. Perhaps notification needs to be sent to people who have previously viewed the incorrect information when a correction is made.

  • @x00z@lemmy.world
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    -34 months ago

    I’m sad that even though I’m heavily in support of climate activisim this kind of useless stuff happens.

      • @x00z@lemmy.world
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        44 months ago

        No I’m specifically using the word “useless”.

        Lets just burn down Evil Corp’s headquarters. Now that is useful.

      • @pimento64@sopuli.xyz
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        What the hell are you talking about? Somebody just punched the United Healthcare CEO’s ticket to Hell several decades early. That enjoyed widespread support. By contrast, historical artifacts and working peoples’ livelihoods have value. Meanwhile, climate activists just pull one smarmy, performative, insincere stunt after another, and not even so much as a drop of gasoline has been spilled on a single oil CEO’s house.

        • @AlDente@sh.itjust.works
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          44 months ago

          I wouldn’t pay this guy too much attention. It seems like an obvious troll account. It’s 11 days old and spewing out comments at nearly one a minute. They talk down to anyone mentioning the CEO shooting while claiming “nothing will improve until the rich fear for their lives” in other posts. It’s clear they’re just trying to stir up shit.

        • @SoftTeeth@lemmy.world
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          So the only form of viable protest is one where the protesters trade their lives for the lives of the rich?

          Seems like big talk from a keyboard warrior.

          Maybe you should go do it since you don’t like how they protest.