Anti-NATO protesters gathered again in Montreal on Saturday to demand Canada withdraw from the alliance, a day after a demonstration organized by different groups resulted in arrests, burned cars and shattered windows.
the purpose of the protest was to demonstrate against what he called NATO’s “complicity with Israel’s military while it’s conducting its genocide in Gaza, … war crimes in Lebanon, Syria” and that “it’s enforcing illegal occupation of Palestinian territories.”
However, Allard rejected accusations of antisemitism. He said the protests were against the actions of the state of Israel and not Jewish people, adding that earlier this week the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Those young people are being manipulated by Russia! We need NATO.
Organizers and people arrested should be put on a plane and given a tour through Ukraines east… to see with their own eyes. Too many people seem to be unaware why a counterforce to Russia was created in the first place.
Arguing against NATO for the reasons they state just means more people will suffer like the Palestinians do.
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Haha, no… the USSR made themselves go bankrupt and caused the country to devolve until it was no longer viable all the while genociding their own population. You’ve got some revisionist history on your shirt.
Arguing against NATO for the reasons they state just means more people will suffer like the Palestinians do.
I don’t know why you say this. NATO has been supporting Israel, not Palestine
That was not my point. NATO is a stabilizing force. If you remove it, Russia and others will just go on the war path and more people will suffer…
I acknowledge the suffering of the Palestinians and think that needs to stop. In the past I argued that the war crime angle against Netanyahu should be picked up by the icc… and now they ruled there is enough evidence to issue an arrest warrant.
But NATO does not support these atrocities. Countries in NATO do… but how does the NATO organisation do that?
This seems to be of the same mold as “the UN does not do anything but talk” yeah… the UN is a talking organisation… that’s their goal… keep people in dialogue and serve as a platform to hopefully have member countries do stuff.
NATO is a defense alliance… member countries not actively doing something against Israëls agression does not mean that it would be up to NATO to do something.
I’ll try to put things into some historical perspective, as briefly as I can.
NATO was supposed to be a stabilizing force against the Soviet Bloc. During the cold war that was the rational.
Some claim that it was a tool to confirm and maintain US military hegemony and I tend to agree with this take. After approx 1993, through its interventions this started to be more and more obvious, especially to those living in the global South.
When did NATO go to war outside the Iraq war? I seem to have missed that.
NATO didn’t go to war with Iraq, the coalition of the willing did. NATO got involved later on with a mission to train the Iraqi army but that’s a footnote, also, not actual combat.
Afghanistan was a NATO war, triggered by the US invoking Article 5. NATO also intervened in Yugoslavia. Everyone was pretty much genociding everyone there, massacres left and right, but the Serbs had a disproportionate amount of military resources and were able to do systematic genocide which prompted the intervention. And please for your own sanity ignore anything Chomsky has to say about the thing he’s still calling concentration camps refugee shelters. “CIA says something so the opposite must be true” brainworms.
Yeah that’s right… thanks.
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It’s not a benevolent alliance between partners, it’s a vassal-overlord relationship,
Why do I only hear that kind of thing from Americans with their penchant for exceptionalism, or vatniks.
You could see just how much control the US has over NATO by the amount of states telling them to pound sand when it came to Vietnam, when it came to Iraq.
Do not forget who empowered the russian fascists or the talibans in the first place.
Reagan, and the Pakistani ISI, respectively.
Well that’s a constructive answer, and not even a good one. Maybe spend a little less time in your echo chambers and look at all factors of conflicts instead of US bad… rest is irrelevant.
Is the post-1993 thing NATO stepping in to stop genocide in Yugoslavia?
Europe need it not Canada and it should be 100% run by Europe
Tankie
Because Russia has zero ambitions to conquer the arctics?
Alliance members get to decide who’s in their alliance. Nobody’s preventing you from expressing your opinion, but it’s pointless.
Yeah, I’m sure Canada not being allied with a bunch of other naval powers would be a lot better for the residents of Монреаль in the long run.
It is weird that there are these protest groups wearing particular scarves that always seem to be acting in the interest of Russia.
Honest question: has the USSR or Russia ever attempted to invade Canada? I only know that Canada had sent military around 1917 to fight against communism (well, what is called this way) but I don’t know much more on the topic.
No. But then Chamberlain thought Hitler would stop with central Europe.
To my knowledge Chamberlain is pretty famous for his misjudgments. Anyways, thanks for answering my question
Honest question: has the USA or NATO ever attempted to invade the USSR or Russia?
Russia does not recognize our borders in the Arctic. They have rival claims to the Arctic Ocean
No, Ruzzia in any of its forms has not tried to invade us, to the best of my knowledge
Russia sponsored protest gets reported by local news, after the break.
They could have protested against the involvement of Canada in the war (is there any?), against Israel, in favor of a Palestine state…
Looks like Russia is bout wasting time and once again uses their distinguishers network.
Remember trucker blockages of supply routes they did right before the full invasion?
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Glad to see all the genocide sympathizers are out here in force, playing apologist for Russia.
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I can’t believe you talk shit this stupid for free.
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Who’s censoring you? You’ve been talking shit since you created this account, and you’ve never contributed to a conversation except by departing from it.
Seems like their comment talking about the US candidates supporting genocide has been deleted. So either they did it, or they have a point.
Having that particular prophecy fulfill itself would probably make their day. It doesn’t lend them credibility.
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As a violent pacifist
Yup. Nothing I love more than ideological consistency… 😕
Peace through being a hard target.
It’s like the paradox of tolerating intolerance.
Tankies be tankin’
Disappointed that this happened at all, but the fact that it was only 80 people is a plus. Seems like it’s just a small group of terminally online agitators.
Vlad’s tentacles slithering into Canada.
Expert level challenge: hit a bong every time someone blames the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on some party who isn’t even fucking involved…
God forbid we ever acknowledge the basic truth that the two most culpable parties responsible for the ~80 years of war are, unsurprisingly to many, Israel and Palestine for empowering the worst possible political leaders on both sides. Netanyahu and Hams got the violence and anger that they always wanted and have been working towards for most of our lives, and somehow that’s NATO’s fault in the peabrain’s shallow mind.
NATO is the main thing keeping the western world and democratic ideology safe from countries like Russia, Iran and China. Is this another thing we’re gonna throw under the bus for no reason other than some vague, nonsensical whining about Gaza?
Nah. The US has blood all over it’s hands Re Gaza. Agreed that blaming NATO is nonsense
80 protesters is all Putin could afford, eh?
NATO isn’t the problem, support to Israel is.
I’d prefer people who know nothing about quantum mechanics argue whether or not there should be multiple dimensions.
Send them to fight in Ukraine. Let them pick a side too.
When they ask why, tell them this is what would happen if there was no NATO. They would be drafted into the war. Just like in WW2.
Oh, I think we all know which side they would fight if given the choice. They would twerk for ‘Daddy Vladi’.
The problem would sort itself out pretty quickly then. Tankies are what you would refer to as полезные дураки, or useful idiots. If Putin doesn’t care about sending full blooded Russians to die in meat grinder assaults against fortified positions, then he sure as hell wouldn’t give a shit about a bunch of western groupies who want to cosplay the USSR. Most of the idiots on Lemmy.ml and Hexbear wouldn’t last more than a week, I would wager.
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You can be against Putin AND against NATO.
