So… Someone is going to jail for that, right?
Right?
Settled for $610,000…so no. I feel like, given that minors were involved, the settlement should have been on top of criminal charges.
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Always.
And also didn’t go to any of the victims
Says at the bottom, 175k to the first victim to open a case, 10k to the second case and… 475k to the lawyers.
Well, I stand corrected… But Jesus those lawyer fees…
I hate this country.
dont hate your country, hate lawyers.
here’s a quick one: Q: what do you call 500 lawyers at the bottom of a river? A: A good start.
and one more for fun
Q: How do you keep a lawyer from drowning? A: Take your foot off their throat
Usually when you hear about a settlement (and not a plea deal) that means this was a civil case and not a criminal one. A civil case doesn’t weigh in on whether or not criminal charges will be brought.
If enough people push the Attorney General of that state to pursue charges they still could (Edit: it’s been 14 years and the Statute of Limitations is 5 years for wiretapping which I think is the highest possible charge). But there is a higher standard for evidence in criminal trials. Not to mention the defense’s argument would likely be that schools have the right to wiretap students’ issued laptops, so the AG probably doesn’t want this to go to court and end up enshrining such a right when it currently holds civil liability due to the civil case succeeding.
Well if they recorded and student jerking it then the school made cp and. I doubt theor is a limitation on that.
wiretapping which I think is the highest possible charge
Wouldn’t the highest charge be all that child pornography they intentionally created?
Why tf are your AGs allowed to just ignore crimes? Aren’t there laws to prevent selective enforcement like this?
Great answer
It’s worth reading the entire article, it just gets worse and worse.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), U.S. Attorney’s Office, and Montgomery County District Attorney all initiated criminal investigations of the matter, which they combined and then closed because they did not find evidence “that would establish beyond a reasonable doubt that anyone involved had criminal intent”.
That’s not even close to the worst thing in the article, but GG justice system. I’ll remember this one day when I’m in court. “Well I didn’t have criminal intent.”
That’s a defense now?? One that removes the need to even have a trial at all??
The article actually goes easy on them. The first plaintiff sued because the student was brought into the principal’s office and told they were being suspended for drug use, and as evidence showed a photo of them eating something in their room. It turned out to be Mike and Ike’s candy. The family was so upset they were spying on the child in their bedroom that it escalated to an investigation and then the scandal unfolded.
The school tried to backpedal and claim that the app takes photos on a timer and they had no idea, and this was proven to be a lie in court when they showed the IT training video explaining how proud they were of the webcam snooping feature.
It gets even worse: During the investigation, it was discovered that at least one person had copied videos and photos onto an external hard drive and taken them. The investigation never discovered who it was, or how many people had made copies; They just knew that files had been copied to at least one external storage drive.
The implication being that all of the teenage girls had their laptops open in their bedrooms, and at least one random employee had copies of their photos and videos.
The implication being that all of the teenage girls had their laptops open in their bedrooms, and at least one random employee had copies of their photos and videos.
Sure but they couldn’t prove criminal intent so it’s ok.
/s
Its been a defence for several hundred years, in fact! Showing intent is one of the three things you need to establish in every criminal case for it to be considered valid. Fuck the cops for dropping this case though, how in hell was there no intent to commit a crime here wtf.
Intent to perform an action.
If they legitimately didn’t know there was spying software on the computers and it was discovered later then they didn’t intend to do it. But they did intend to spy on the students, and it doesn’t matter if they thought it was legal.
I fully understand your point.
But on the other hand, we’re in a period where the people doing this haven’t experienced it themselves. Nor have they learned about this in school. It’s all so new and so many people are ignorant and stupid when it comes to technology.
We need cases like these to set precedents so we can define something as criminal intent. People should be allowed to make a mistake at least once, and the government actually recognizes this.
In a much more polite way than I usually say it, we can agree to disagree here. I can also see your point.
But, I think any rational adult in the room should have said, “So we’re going to deploy software on computers that kids use in their bedrooms that will randomly or on demand take pictures of whatever is happening in that room? No fucking way, it’s not worth gestures around compared to the possibility that a couple laptops get stolen along the way. We can find another approach.”
No one should need an understanding of technology to understand why that is bad, and the WIkipedia entry makes it very plain that key figures in the decision knew that was precisely what was being done.
I’m sorry, this is the George Costanza defense.
You’re actually quite right.
Hang them!
At least fucking fire them and make them go to court before you let them off the hook.
Ahh i remember the days of the school shitbook pros. That kids is why when 2020 rolled around and all my classes went to online and they wanted me to use there laptops provided. I made a disk image of the ssd and ran it all in a VM with usb passthrough. Cant acess my webcam if there is none!
Chrome book my kid had was sending regular traffic out to some address that belonged to a scholastic vendor. Even when the device was idle. I blocked that site at the router. Thanks pfBlockerng. A few days later he had another chrome book needing our WiFI password. That is when the chrome book got its own VLAN and SSID. The SSID name was compromised. I also tightened the screws on google workspace. They tried one more time with a another chrome book before they gave up on whatever they were after. I have no doubt they wasted some time trying to overcome it. I still treated it like a wiretap. None of my precautions stopped me from putting tape over the mic and camera.
I was a little disappointed they never inquired about it. The fact they didn’t pretty much guarantees what ever they were doing wasn’t required.
I remember spending entire days trying to break the horrible ROM protect on those pieces of garbage when they first started popping up at every school district. Google got wise fast and separated write protect into its own software only flag inside the organizational stuff for any Chromebooks linked to a domain.
I did a nicer one recently which was a samsung chromebook which involved completely disassembling the entire thing and removing the heatsink just to be able to remove a tiny ass piece of conducting electric tape to disable write protect.
Even after that I had to very carefully rewrite the shitty google bootloader with libreboot if I wanted to run literally anything else without making a google approved kpart file which would only run on google’s compiled kernel.
I remember when the news came out on the radio. The school reported to parents what their kids have been up to.
Am I the only person that immediately covers their webcam with Scotch’s Magic Tape? It frosts the image so that it doesn’t look like it has been covered but rather that it is extremely smudged and thus only silhouettes can be somewhat discerned.
Thankfully most laptops I see now come with a built in physical cover for the webcam.
And in context of this post…Mac laptops do not. So the scotch tape (or black tape) idea is sound.
The issue with those is that you might get told to uncover your camera. With Magic Tape you can always say that it is uncovered. Light goes through, so you can pretend that maybe the camera is busted.
If they tell you to uncover your camera at home then we got problems.
All the time in the corporate world. We have clients that require their employees to be on camera during Teams calls. We have it under our agreement with our clients that being on camera is at our employee’s discretion. Because clients often provide us with laptops to access their networks, we cover our cameras with tape and ask that the laptop be put in our storage cases when not in use. Also, if one of our employees is working on more than one client, no two client laptops can be on and out of their case at the same time.
Yeah but that’s a defined period on a video communication app. If I’m getting changed in my room and I get a message about my camera…
If I’m getting changed in my room and I get a message about my camera…
That is unjustifiable but not what I mean. An ex colleague of mine runs a company with some really questionable policies, but if you want to work there you have to agree. One of those policies is that your camera has to be on at all times during business hours. If you live in a studio apartment, then you better get dressed in the bathroom.
Again though, connected to an agreed time frame and with compensation. That’s a shit contract but one nonetheless. You keep bringing these examples and it’s going to start looking like you’re okay with the school spying on kids.
Don’t forget the mic
DELL laptops are neat in that they let you disable all these in the firmware.
Even neater if there is a hardware switch to enable/disable on the fly.
it is best to switch to Linux so the webcam doesn’t work even if you wanted to
(old joke I know)
Dell work laptops and all in ones have had a manual slide shutter for years.
But not mic, the mic and camera should have physical ways to disable.
I hate Apple so god damned much. When I got started in 2003 with the cohort I was in for my elementary education degree, the university required us to get an Apple MacBook G4. We weren’t allowed to choose any other laptop, just that one, and we had to get it from the campus computer store (so of course the school was getting a kickback 🖕).
The power cord on those had a weird round dongle on the end that plugged into the computer. In the center of the dongle was a very thin pin. So, of course, I accidentally tripped on it, and the pin snapped off inside the computer. Easy enough to remove, but it meant I had to buy a brand new adapter to do my coursework.
$80.
Eighty fucking dollars. And there were no third-party adapters at the time (at least when I looked). Oh, and that replacement adapter? CAUGHT ON FUCKING FIRE.
I have not spend a dime on anything Apple touches since then. I’ve been issued iPads by school districts for which I’ve worked in the past, but those pretty much stay locked up in my cabinet. Nope…no Apple Music, no Apple TV, not even a covered-by-the-district $1.99 app for my school iPad.
Luckily, as teacher, I’ve either been issued a Dell or at the very least a MacBook Air with Windows 10 bootcamped every year since. Unfortunately, I am in a new district in Oregon this year (had been in Texas), and my device this year is a non-bootcampable MacBook Air. 🤬
If it helps, you can at least use any USBC charger you want now. I love my M1 air, but have some similar ranty feelings about the older models from 10-15 years ago. I hope you at least give it a chance. I don’t think I could ever go back to Windows. It is Mac or Linux for me.
Oh I know, but it’s not about the charger at this point; it’s about the company and their stupid, stupid operating system that is dumb.
Well, since you may be forced to use it, here are some utilities to make it better: Rectangle Pro - 200% necessary. $10. Worth every penny. Cleanshot X Homebrew AltTab iTerm2 Oh My Zsh Karabiner Elements may be useful if you need macros/key bindings.
Also, this is cross platform, but giving a shout-out to Obsidian. With a couple plugins, it is a fantastic notes app that is markdown based.
There are plenty of things that are irritating in OSX, but there is a lot I like after using it for a while. Most of the irritations are gone with the above utilities. Unlike Windows, I didn’t have to spend a whole bunch of time debloating the OS and advertisements are not shoved in my face. I probably turned it off, but I don’t have a damn digital assistant shoved in my face either. Both Linux and OSX (which is Unix) have very clean interfaces. As someone with severe ADHD, an overly distracting UI will stress me out. A lot.
I do have some rather strong feelings about what they are doing with permissions in the Sequoia beta, but I also get what they are trying to achieve. iOS though is torture. I will say that for my iPad that it has improved a lot in 18, but I have 0 desire to ever have an iPhone. iPad is still ultimately hindered by the OS. The iPad Pro has an absurd amount of power, but the restrictions in iPad OS hobble what it is truly capable of.
Oh no…there’s no modifying of a school district’s technology allowed. That’s just not a thing, at least not that I’ve heard of in the US. Thanks for the recommendations, though, maybe it’ll help someone else.
When I was in nursing school I saw all my classmates typing on the brand new Mac’s . And I was sitting there typing on a Toshiba then I gave up the computer and just started writing because I knew ahead of time I would have to prove myself in the field more than getting an A. I got out with a B in all my classes. But somewhere there are many nurses who got D and can barely do field work. I was lucky to have a mom as a nurse. But when I go to a doctors office and a PRN is asking me questions I always ask where did you go to school and so forth. They usually get pissed but I do not care because they relay shit to the doctor. And 90 percent of the time when you go to rural doctors they just read the shit on the screen and go by that. I can say this as a traveling nurse and an ex opiod addict.
Are you okay? That’s some serious word salad.
“I like Apple devices because they respect my privacy”
It’s worth noting that in recent MacBooks the camera can’t turn on if the led is off. It’s an electrical thing, not a software thing.
As a cybersecurity specialist even using my phone kind of give me the creeps. Anyone anytime can access your camera easily, BUT if the item was issued by a third party always assume they are spying. I’ve seen this happend in huge corporations that you would not believe do that. Also a 20 something IT support guy have access to it for sure.
Be safe, if you cant format or disable the driver for microphone and camera just turn it off when naked please
Turning it off is zero guarantee. Get a physical cover for the camera. If you can’t get a physical cover, then put electrical tape over it.
After I had turned off the webcam in my system settings, my boss twice commented on the shirt I was wearing while WFH. So then I glued two layers of duct tape over the entire upper rim of the laptop, and it never happened again. They did, however, seem inexplicably distraught when we had the next Teams call.
Yeah, drivers are easy to reinstall.
IMHO this is/was a total shit show by the school district. The student intern knew better; hope they are in charge now!
I want to but I made the mistake of buying a phone that uses the camera as the light sensor…
Not gonna lie… You had me there at the beginning!
All right it says in the wiki that this all kicked off because a kid was getting disciplined at school for something they did in their bedroom and no details are given about that part. That alone seems really messed up
I do not know you but lets say its your job. And they gave you a laptop. Do you think you should be punished for whatever it is you do in your bedroom?
No but that’s like a major red flag type of thing. I was wondering how they get away with that to begin with
Dell and other Windows based OEM laptop manufactures have built in camera covers now-a-days. Just saying.
More reason as to why if I ever become a parent, I’m personally setting up and monitoring my kids devices to ensure they aren’t being spies on through their cameras/webcams because a school wants to know what’s going on in their private life.
“hey honey, here’s your first computer. no parental controls, but you’re only allowed to run arch, and im doing a pen test every weekend, with an attack that will disable features I can reach for three days. good luck!”
edit: alternatively: “there are parental controls on the router and I’ll be switching them up regularly. you’re not allowed to look at porn until you’re a better hacker than your parents.”
Just don’t. So many problems solved. Potentially infinite problems solved.
Stick-on slide shutter for the camera will do the trick
I’ll admit I’m a little paranoid, so I’d still be checking other things like mic.
Heh, just keep the laptop shut and use external monitor kbd and mouse.
Not all kids can afford that.
