• Sibbo
    71•1 year ago

    If they just wouldn’t have killed him he wouldn’t have been able to come back and prove that he’s holy. Then Christianity may not have come to existence, and we’d instead have the much cooler Roman gods.

    • @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      15•1 year ago

      Or if instead of hiding him in a cave, they put Roman cement blocks on his feet and dumped him in the Mediterranean.

      Enjoy coming back to life now arsehole.

        • JJROKCZ
          5•1 year ago

          Yes but can he walk on water if his feet are encased in cement? Do the water resistance properties apply to the concrete or does Jesus need to do a cool handstand walk type thing in the middle of the Aegean

    • @Dnn@lemmy.world
      4•1 year ago

      he wouldn’t have been able to come back and prove that he’s holy.

      Well, he probably didn’t and another religion emerged regardless.

    • @kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3•1 year ago

      In Raised by Wolves it’s a timeline without Christianity where it was Mithrism (a competing mystery religion around the time Christianity was starting) that succeeded to one day be at odds with atheism.

      The first season is pretty good if you like the Idea of seeing what a SciFi scenario sans Christianity but a different pagan tradition instead might have looked like.

    • @masquenox@lemmy.world
      1•1 year ago

      and we’d instead have the much cooler Roman gods.

      Yeah, I’ve seen what ancient Greeaks and Romans prayed to - they are all shit (with the possible exception of Aphrodite/Venus).

  • @kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
    33•1 year ago

    Been going down a lot of early Christianity rabbit holes, and my latest over the past few days has been oddities to the depiction of the crucifixion in John (allegedly based on earlier eyewitness testimony).

    Crucifixion as an execution method didn’t even necessarily involve nails. It was excruciating because it dragged on over a very long period of time. Your body’s survival instinct to keep breathing effectively tortures you to keep struggling to breathe as it gets more and more unbearable.

    Except - that’s not at all how Jesus’s execution turns out in John.

    He just sort of chills up there, takes a sip of sour/bitter wine brought up to him on the cross (19:29), and then not long after is just like “ok, peace out” and croaks midday.

    This is so unusual that in the evening the guards who are then breaking the legs of the other prisoners being executed to speed up the process for the Sabbath have to double check whether Jesus is actually dead by poking his side with a spear, when suddenly water and blood pour out (19:34).

    So, some fun facts about the Mediterranean in antiquity:

    • Euthanasia was a thing, mentioned a number of times BCE as performed by high doses of opium
    • Opium has a bitter taste
    • Acute opium poisoning causes pulmonary edema where your lungs fill up with fluid

    (Notably both Matthew 27 and Mark 15 deny that he drank the wine offered when he was on the cross, though there’s a doubled denial of wine where the soldiers offer it that’s found in all the Synoptics. In theory Luke depends on Mark, but doesn’t have the non-consumption of the wine on the stick as drunk in John, so it looks a bit like the extant version of Mark may have had post-John parts of Matthew edited into it later on.)

    So suddenly dying only a few hours into crucifixion shortly after drinking bitter/sour wine and then having fluid pour out of a lung puncture sounds a bit like even if you put him in a cage it wouldn’t necessarily have lasted very long anyways assuming he still had access to beverages provided by his mom. Also, a rather dark but humanizing perspective to the story if what I’m suggesting was historically correct and his mother effectively euthanized him to shorten his suffering…

  • @TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee
    19•1 year ago

    All the biblical fiction heaven vs hell fantasy fiction is basically this. Gotta harvest those potential biblical artifacts for their apocalyptic powers.