• @ImTryingLemmy@lemmy.world
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    1071 year ago

    Saying the quiet part out loud again. Forced relocation through either terror or expatriation is Ethnic Cleansing. Ethnic Cleansing may fall under the Genocide Convention.

    WTF?

    • Melkath
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      We are there.

      I will vote for Joe Biden if he publicly condemns Israel. From his lips. In an address to the nation.

      I will not if he doesn’t.

      Simple as that.

      • @Buffaloaf@lemmy.world
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        61 year ago

        I don’t think any presidential candidate would do that, even if that’s how they really felt. It’d be political suicide.

        • Melkath
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          You don’t think any candidate would condemn genocide. Condemning genocide as a US presidential candidate is suicide…

          Isn’t that how fucked America is in a nutshell.

          • Amerikan Pharaoh
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            This is why I unironically believe Amerika as a nation, and as an identity, deserves to die. I finally figured out why Amerika won’t condemn Israel’s genocide, won’t condemn Nazism, will veto every attempt to do either-- it’s because these are the same kind of vile, murdering, thieving, and pillaging barbarian settlers as what we’re seeing in Occupied Palestine, and what we saw in Axis Germany. Only difference is Amerika completed both of its genocides in such a way that the survivors either won’t fight back anymore, or physically don’t have the numbers to meaningfully fight back anymore.

        • @hglman@lemmy.ml
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          141 year ago

          Then the democratic party should make the most basic effort to condemn genocide. I wont vote for the support of genocide. It’s really not a high bar. It’s frankly pathetic that you are suggesting we have accept that. That makes you explicitly in support of the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the people of Palestine. You are evil.

            • @hglman@lemmy.ml
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              31 year ago

              You are evil and acting in bad faith. It’s hard to imagine how you think wanting a president who will condemn genocide means supporting trump. You don’t, you want to continue the dishonest dialog that the only discourse is we must accept the democratic party as is or else. What it is a threat and acting in bad faith.

          • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
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            31 year ago

            Plenty of them are. But you’re willing to toss them all out with a figurehead. The AICP is currently campaigning against several Democrats for calling out the genocide .Yeah Biden’s out of touch and a bit problematic. But this is the height of self-defeating virtue signaling. Not that it has stopped a lot of you in the past. San timoniously and hypocritically criticizing everyone else while doing nothing to make the situation actually better. Soothing your own conscience with trying to convince yourself that you’re meaningless gesture was worth it.

            Biden is what we are saddled with and it could be far worse. You need to take care of business this election cycle and the moment it’s over start pushing better people for 2028 or sooner.

            • @hglman@lemmy.ml
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              -91 year ago

              Very nice, you have made genocide into nothing more than virtue signaling. You are gross, your arguments are gross and it is your continued support to the establish us political system and parties that gave us trump to begin with.

              • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
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                Keep on virtue, signaling. And whatever you do don’t do anything that might actually help.

                It’s very telling that you can’t address any of the points I made. Acting offended is all you’ve got.

          • @bitrate@lemmy.world
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            01 year ago

            In the US no vote is a republican vote. I know you don’t like to hear it but its the way it is. The fewer people that vote the higher their chances go up.

            • @hglman@lemmy.ml
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              31 year ago

              Then the democratic party should make the most minimal effort to win by standing against genocide.

              • @bitrate@lemmy.world
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                No offense, but I really hope you are young and that’s the reason you are this naive. The next president is going to be either a democrat or a republican. Denying that reality so you can feel better about yourself is doing the people of Gaza no favors. You have no power of the situation and especially if you are in a swing state, the only thing you can do to help them is to keep the republicans out of the white house.

                I actually understand your thought process, I used to be the same way. I wish third parties were viable too and I wish we had better options, but right now, the best chance you personally can give Gaza is voting Democrat.

        • Melkath
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          Stop doing that you insufferable pea-brained dolt.

          Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean I’m voting for Trump.

          Idiots like you sit there like your vote is a party popper you MUST use to show if your streamers and confetti are blue or red.

          I am disgusted with the options I am presented with. I get no streamers or confetti…

          Unless Biden condemns the Israeli genocide of Palestine and champions imposing massive embargoes on Israel while fully ceasing any funding in full.

          Then I might believe he (and the DNC) are humbling WAY the fuck up, listening to their constituents, and correcting course is the SMALLEST of ways.

          • @wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net
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            I ask you, if there is one party that tries you stop you from voting in any way they can, doesn’t you not voting play into their hand?

            • @Aceticon@lemmy.world
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              Refusing to vote for Evil, any Evil, is a pretty straightforward moral position to take.

              Meanwhile your voting choice requires complex mental gymnastics to justify, which is quite an indication that you’re trying to come up with excuses for yourself for doing what you do not feel is the morally right thing to do.

          • @ashok36@lemmy.world
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            I vote for anyone but Biden, or even a no vote, is a vote for Trump.

            If you think Palestine is in bad shape under Biden, try to imagine how much worse it’d be with Trump.

            The only way to get Democrat candidates on the left is to crush the right wing so that the Overton window moves.

            • Xavienth
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              111 year ago

              Rewarding parties for doing nothing is good democracy actually 🤓 /s

              If America were a functional democracy the Democrats would actually court voters with real solutions to real problems. That’s not their goal. Let’s not forget that the country was founded as a rich boys club and the founding documents were designed to preserve it as such. That is still true to this day. You can’t pull the Democrats left because that’s not their fucking job

            • Melkath
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              -71 year ago

              You are the uncle Tom piece of shit that has lead this country here.

              I do not vote for Biden. I do not vote for Trump.

              You can’t make me.

              Your rhetoric is outdated, idiotic, and counter-productive.

              • drewofdoom
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                21 year ago

                Nobody is going to make you vote one way or another, but please recognize the following:

                The United States is currently a two party system. It sucks. We need to push for more ranked choice voting, as well as direct popular vote.

                However, until we’re able to achieve something that makes this parties viable, we will continue to have issues with the right wing getting undue influence in our politics.

                Vote with your heart, but make sure that you’re okay with another Trump presidency of you decide not to vote for Biden.

                Keep in mind as you do so that more than one state had enough votes for Jill Stein that if they had gone to Hillary, Trump never would have become president.

                We should have viable parties outside of the two not great to horrible parties we have now. But that’s simply not the way our government works as it stands now.

                Last thing: you’ve become a single issue voter. This is the lefty equivalent of only caring about abortion and ignoring literally everything else. Politics is complicated, and I personally find single issue voters incredibly shortsighted and lazy.

              • Solar Bear
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                11 year ago

                One of those two will be president no matter what you do. They will then be in a position capable of inflicting great damage. Trump will use that position to hurt more people than Biden. The math here isn’t complicated, and it continually astounds me how many people on the left cannot actually solve the trolly problem when faced with it for real. It really shows which people are engaged in politics as a means to an end rather than as personal expression or a hobby.

        • Melkath
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          21 year ago

          If I were in Nazi Germany and my choices were Hitler, a genocidal maniac or Himmler, a genocidal maniac, I would not vote for a genocidal maniac.

      • @nomous@lemmy.world
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        I don’t believe you would at all tbh.

        Just another concern troll pretend you give a fuck.

        • Amerikan Pharaoh
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          Well, I certainly won’t regardless of if or how the DNC tries to backpedal. Him and his morally bankrupt party are genociders; that stain doesn’t scrub off.

  • @detalferous@lemm.ee
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    641 year ago

    So he wants to kill 90% of the populace in a geographical region.

    How does anyone deny this is genocide?

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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      If by turn a blind eye you mean supply vast majority of the weapons used to commit the genocide then sure.

    • Scary le Poo
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      The US hasn’t turned a blind eye to it. The US has been exerting pressure for lessened combat operations since the getgo.

      Foreign policy is not about morality, it is about power.

      There are 3 main powers in that region. Saudi Arabia, Iran and Israel. Right now the US has a lot of influence over both (power). If the US were to just drop Israel, then all of a sudden the US has no more power in the region.

      The Israelis do not need us for weapons. Not only do they have their own military industrial complex, there are other 1st world powers who would happily sell arms to Israel for a chance to become the new most powerful influence in the region due to having Iran and Israel under their thumbs.

      I swear, Americans are fucking stupid when it comes to how anything works and they have zero desire to learn. It’s no wonder that the US ends up with people like trump.

      • @shiveyarbles@beehaw.org
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        If you continue to provide funding and weapons to an ongoing genocide, you are 100% complicit. What you are suggesting is that the ends justify the means.

  • تحريرها كلها ممكن
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    It looks like Zionists were taking notes during the Holocaust

    “What we do not understand is that while there were protests against Germany’s defensive action in this field, there was, on the other hand, no willingness to absorb the excess Jewish population emigrating from Germany.”

    • Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of propaganda.

  • @Aceticon@lemmy.world
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    Well, it’s always nice when Israeli ministers by their own public words provide evidence of culpability for the case against Israel that just started in the International Court of Justice.

  • Amerikan Pharaoh
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    61 year ago

    ITT: genocidal crackers trying and failing to curry favor for their genocidal archsettler by invoking their personal boogeyman.

  • I don’t know the context, but I doubt he was expressing a fear of his, somehow. I just wanted to say he’s got a very punchable face in that picture.