• Optional@lemmy.world
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    Industry experts who met with CT Coatings representatives doubted their technical skills. Julian Zanau from the Fraunhofer Research Institute recalled concerns following discussions with company officials.

    “The first impression I got was that these people have no idea how a battery actually works. They were talking about no rare earth metals in their batteries and therefore no lithium, and to any chemist lithium has nothing to do with rare earth minerals.”

    🔥

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    8 hours ago

    Wild. Did they really think they could just hype this up and release something like this and not get found out?

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      5 hours ago

      Investors are stupid enough if only everyone else didn’t tell them to be so dumb about this

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        Except they’ve misled investors, and that will get them into deep shit.

        Because fuck consumers

        Mislead consumers, FTC sleeps

        Mislead investors…

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          What FTC lmao, they’re a Finnish company registered in Estonia. Billionaires don’t get fast tracked court cases here. They’ll move to some other country long before anything happens.

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            My mistake. I forgot other countries exist.

            But yeah I dropped that key point I guess between finishing the article and commenting.

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          Ftfy

          Because fuck consumers

          Mislead consumers, FTC sleeps

          Mislead investors…

          Also they just need to make a little donation and I’m sure they will be pardoned.

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            Pardoned by whom? We don’t have presidential pardons in the countries they’re operating out of.

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      Reading the article, the investigation isn’t a case of independent labs getting hold of the battery and definitively disproving Donut’s claims. It’s battery experts and researchers looking at the data Donut has released and saying, “these claims are extraordinary and the evidence doesn’t yet convince us. Here’s what we think the battery actually is.” That’s a very reasonable scientific position, especially when you’re talking about 400 Wh/kg, 5-minute charging, and 100,000 cycles all at once.

      But without independently tested samples, there are still a lot of unknowns and inferences involved. That’s not to say the skeptics are wrong, but it’s still arguably a case of skeptics being skeptical… reasonably so, but based on analysis of the available evidence rather than direct examination of the battery itself.

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        This seems to be a smoking gun:

        Researchers say the most convincing evidence came from measuring how the cell expanded during charging.

        When a battery charges, ions move into the anode, causing it to expand. Graphite anodes have a unique expansion pattern because of changes in graphite’s layered structure. The Donut Lab cell showed this exact pattern.

        This finding matters because sodium ions are too big to fit into graphite the way lithium ions do. According to investigators, the graphite expansion pattern clearly shows that lithium is the active ion in the battery.

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      I mean these days with all the hyped up scams all over social media including Lemmy… yeah?

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      I would be disappointed, but random news about sodium ion batteries keeps popping up and making me think it’s not so bad after all.

      The there was that one article that was way too sensational to be anywhere near adoption, though it was pretty neat.

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/06/260603023917.htm#google_vignette

      Researchers have discovered how microscopic imperfections and atomic vibrations can be used to control a powerful quantum effect in an advanced material. The effect can turn alternating electrical signals from the environment directly into the kind of current electronic devices need, without traditional components. As temperature changes, the signal can even flip direction, giving scientists a new way to tune device performance. (though there were little to no details about how much power was/could be generated at all and seemed based way more in theory than practical application)

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    Of course it is. If you had the technology to create a revolutionary battery, you wouldn’t waste time with the motorcycle business.

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    Well, prior to this, Donut lost most of their host for the YT channel. I’m guessing they saw the writing on the wall and left.