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@misk@sopuli.xyz to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish • 3 months ago

France runs fusion reactor for record 22 minutes

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France runs fusion reactor for record 22 minutes

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@misk@sopuli.xyz to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish • 3 months ago
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France has upped the ante in the quest for fusion power by maintaining a plasma reaction for over 22 minutes – a new record. The milestone was reached on February 12 at the Commissariat à l'énergie atomique et aux énergies alternatives (CEA) WEST Tokamak reactor.
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    241•3 months ago

    1,337 seconds

    • @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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      70•3 months ago

      Le et

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    • @Evotech@lemmy.world
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      19•3 months ago

      Flexing

      • @5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        25•3 months ago

        Flexing is not good for the containment

        • @AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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          7•3 months ago

          No, but some guy proved that we could use that to our advantage. If you don’t use the magnetic constrictors to compensate for the heat from the fusion expanding the vessel, you can have it enter fusion and leave fusion several times a second. Wrap the thing in copper wire coils, and you have now got your vessel in a state of flux, and producing enough power to blackout your local grid, and get lots of fines from the feds in less than 5 seconds of runtime. He obviously didn’t continue working on that particular method of generating power with a Tokomak

          • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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            5•3 months ago

            Can you link to something so I can read more about this please?

            • @AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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              3•3 months ago

              Wish I could. Only reason I know about it, is that it was mentioned briefly in the Navy Nuclear Power Program training materials.

    • @Cheems@lemmy.world
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      7•3 months ago

      Rumor is next they are trying for 11.6858˙3 hours

      • @_stranger_@lemmy.world
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        0•3 months ago

        Elven time conversion is the worst.

    • @hakunawazo@lemmy.world
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      4•3 months ago

      5,318008 seconds should be a new goal.

  • @notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
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    172•3 months ago

    A headline without calling it an “Artificial Sun”?!

    • @cynar@lemmy.world
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      55•3 months ago

      The amusing thing is that the sun is actually quite a shit fusion reactor. It’s power per unit volume is tiny. It just makes it up in sheer volume. A solar level fusion reactor would be almost completely useless to us. Instead we need to go far beyond the sun’s output to just be viable.

      It’s like describing one of the mega mining dumper trucks as an “artificial mule”.

      • @notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
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        21•3 months ago

        I think this energy density math really depends on whether only the core or the whole surface area is taken into consideration.

        • @cynar@lemmy.world
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          18•3 months ago

          Even the core only has an output of 200-300W/m^3.

          • Logi
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            11•3 months ago

            That’s about the energy output per volume of a 70 year old cyclist.

            • Dem Bosain
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              7•3 months ago

              Right, for the Americans here that hate metric.

              • @ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works
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                6•3 months ago

                Cyclist-years is a unit that has served us well for generations

      • @lurklurk@lemmy.world
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        2•3 months ago

        Arguably, the nearby sun scale fusion reactor has been fairly useful for us. Nowadays we can convert its output directly into electricity using solar cells

        • @cynar@lemmy.world
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          5•3 months ago

          I never said it wasn’t useful, just a very low efficiency reactor. Then again, if it was better, it would burn out faster, which would be bad for life on earth.

          • @Womble@lemmy.world
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            4•3 months ago

            It produces about the same power per cubic metre as compost does, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.

          • @_stranger_@lemmy.world
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            2•3 months ago

            What I’m hearing is that we should mine the sun and make better use of all that fuel.

            • @WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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              6•3 months ago

              Just make sure you do it at night.

            • @cynar@lemmy.world
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              1•3 months ago

              That’s part of the reason a moon base could be viable. The sun outputs a reasonable amount of helium 3, which is great for fusion reactions. Unfortunately it tends to sit at the top of our atmosphere and get blown away again. On the moon, it gets captured by the dust in collectable quantities.

      • @merc@sh.itjust.works
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        2•3 months ago

        Sure, but it makes up for that by having an idiot proof design.

      • @DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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        1•3 months ago

        Someone once told me a sun is just a fusion nuclear pile reactor and… Like… I guess.

    • @yogurt@lemm.ee
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      They say “artificial sun” because that’s what it is though, there’s no fusion reactions here they’re just microwaving hydrogen to millions of degrees to study the kind of thing that would happen IF somebody runs a fusion reactor for 22 minutes.

  • @Placebonickname@lemmy.world
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    116•3 months ago

    Meanwhile in America we’re trying to make macdonalds cheaper by bundling an extra sandwich to go along with a value meal…

    • @crank0271@lemmy.world
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      108•3 months ago

      That’s called McFusion

      • @Brickhead92@lemmy.world
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        26•3 months ago

        And it only takes 22 seconds to consume.

        • @villainy@lemmy.world
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          15•3 months ago

          And only 12 seconds to regret.

          • @meco03211@lemmy.world
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            8•3 months ago

            Which means you are still consuming the burger for 10 seconds fully regretting your decision.

            • @villainy@lemmy.world
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              9•3 months ago

              110% commitment to the burger and the regret. USA! USA!

          • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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            2•3 months ago

            That’s way better than Taco Bell, where the regret sinks in when you consider going there.

        • @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          14•3 months ago

          And keeps you sated for another 22 seconds.

          Then you want seconds.

    • JackFrostNCola
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      0•3 months ago

      When the fuck did maccas start doing a sandwich?

      • @catloaf@lemm.ee
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        1•3 months ago

        Day one? A hamburger is a sandwich.

        • @weker01@sh.itjust.works
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          2•3 months ago

          That was such a culture shock when I went to the us for the first time.

          In Germany and many places in Europe do not think of burgers as sandwiches. I was so confused when I ordered a sandwich and got something like a burger.

          I expected something like this

          I expected something like this. My confusion must’ve been quite the sight, the waitress even seemed concerned. Tasted great though.

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            2•3 months ago

            Only difference between that and a burger is a burger is usually on a roll, not slices of bread. (And a burger is always hot, but then so are some sandwiches.)

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    114•3 months ago

    The Power of the Sun - Spider Man 2

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      51•3 months ago

      The power of the sun in the palm of my hand

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        29•3 months ago

        la puissance du soleil dans la paume de ma main

        Honhonhon

        [Takes a drag on a sexy cigarette]

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          11•3 months ago

          But I’m le tired.

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            6•3 months ago

            Well have a nap

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        How big are your hands???

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          It’s not the size the matters, it’s the amount of hands that matters.

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            Nuclear powered hands in the palm of my hands

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    97•3 months ago

    This is freaking awesome. Only a few years ago it was exciting to see a fusion reaction last a fraction of a second.

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    92•3 months ago

    Maybe if it runs longer, we all get to jump to a better timeline. 😅

    • Pumpkin Escobar
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      64•3 months ago

      Or the world blows up and it’s all over. I guess what I’m saying is, no downside, fire it up and let’s see what happens.

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    65•3 months ago

    Why don’t we use “shatters world record” like the pro-China articles where they did this for 16 minutes?

    I know why.

    • @DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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      I know!

      Because the articles were written by different people and published in different magazines ya goober.

      • @x00z@lemmy.world
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        Nah.

        It’s because of the Chinese propaganda machine.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
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      5•3 months ago

      Why do you care so much what an article says about France’s accomplishments of science and China’s accomplishments of science? Why can’t we enjoy the movement of technology without bickering about lines drawn in the sand by people none of us know or care about?

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      Dumbass lol

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      They’ll never tell.

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      Is it because of the Uyghurs?

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    Mr. Fusion now 1 step closer… 10 years late, but still!

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      23•3 months ago

      Only ten more years, and we’ll have it!

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        …you said 10 more years 50 years ago

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          In just 10 more years, it’ll only be 40 more years!

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        0•3 months ago

        I feel like the awesome back to future reference was missed completely.

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        So, some as graphene.

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          We’re using graphene! Almost entirely for it’s electrical properties true, but we’re using graphene doped batteries in consumer electronics currently. We also use fusion and ITER research for a whole lot more than just power generation - plasma dynamics, just one tiny subfield concerned with physics, has applications in everything from radio transmission beam forming techniques to satellite engines to magnetodynamic modeling to the EMI shielding on your vacuum cleaner.

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            I would like to subscribe for more graphene facts.

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    I hope it smoked a cigarette once it finished.

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    How ks the drill baby drill crowd going to compete against mini stars in a can?

    Lmao. Fucking oil losers

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      Plastic Straws. Plastic cups. Wrapping indvidual food items in plastic and then putting them in a larger plastic bag which you carry home in an even larger plastic bag.

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        The food has been impregnated with microplastics as well. This machine runs on sugar, but someone put oil in the tank. :-/

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    10•3 months ago

    France’s 22-minute plasma reaction is a bold stride toward sustainable fusion energy but remains experimental.

    🐱🐱🐱🐱

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    30 years guys.

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      It’s always thirty years away because every time it gets close to 15 years away they cut the funding in half. Zeno’s Dichotomy in action.

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    Amazing news!

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    1•3 months ago

    merde

  • Krik
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    Doesn’t sound that impressive when Wendelstein 7-X achieved 17 minutes of plasma in 2021.

    • @Naz@sh.itjust.works
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      Yes but 22 minutes is longer than 17 minutes

      Think of it like a pizza oven

      How well done is your pizza?

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    • @Madison420@lemmy.world
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      I can’t find a reference to that but China did 17 minutes in January this year. I think you’re confusing the announcement that they increased power by 17x while maintaining plasma.

      This test was 20 minutes at a higher power setting without being incredibly destructive, that’s their milestone.

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      Agreed. Plus, when talking about that reactor you get to say “stellarator”, which is always fun.

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