• @craftingwithbits@lemmy.ml
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    12 years ago

    I don’t agree that mistrust of big pharma is solely a right-wing thing. Big pharma has lied, often.

    Fined $8 Billion for bribing doctors to up sales of Oxycontin: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oxycontin-drugmaker-purdue-pharma-pleads-guilty-federal-criminal-charges-n1244155

    Fined $2.1 Billion for illegal marketing of products later pulled from the market for not being safe: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617

    $5 Billion settlement for a product that cause heart attacks and obstructing data to make profits: https://www.npr.org/series/5033105/vioxx-the-downfall-of-a-drug

    $4.69 Billion verdict for women who developed cancer from using talcum powder, and pharma company knew and hid data: https://www.consumernotice.org/products/personal-care/talcum-powder/cancer/

    Now they have this vaccine product, funded by federal gov to develop, and making record profits for themselves and their companies (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/covid-vaccine-billionaires/index.html) and it’s some how an anti-vax conspiracy to doubt their assurances of safety?

    VAERS was made in 1990 to detect problems with vaccinations for a reason. They have had more events logged since release of these vaccines than all previous years, combined. It is also a felony to file false VAERS reports, so it’s not a simple google form or some such thing.

    The vaccines do not stop the spread or infection. They said they would. They lied. They said they were 95% effective. They lied. Now we need booster 3… soon it will be four, all the while the corporate billionaires are making obscene profits. They said lock downs where for 2 weeks. They lied. They said they wouldn’t mandate, that it was not in the power of gov to do so. Biden and Harris said this. They lied.

    They say the miocarditis in children it might cause is “mild”. There is no such thing as mild damage to heart tissues. Any damage to heart tissues is dangerous considering the heart scars rather then regenerates.

    Now evidence is emerging that it effects women’s menstrual cycles: https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Wellness/covid-19-vaccine-linked-small-menstrual-cycles-study/story?id=82134301

    Of course corporate media says it’s no big deal (sponsored by Pfizer).

    Point is they over promised and under delivered, by any measure. And then there is the censorship and mandates on top of it all.

    Pointing this out and saying it’s sus is not “right-wing” but what is a traditional left position of doubting corrupt gov/corporate fascist lies.

    • poVoqOP
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      12 years ago

      Did you read the article and not just the headline? Because from your answer it seems like you didn’t.

      The article explains that the interpretation of the VARS data that can be found in right-wing media is faulty and hyperbole to a point that intentional misrepresentation of the VARS data seems likely.

      The article would be the exact same if left-wing media was peddling such factually incorrect fear-mongering for political gain.

      • @craftingwithbits@lemmy.ml
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        02 years ago

        From article: “Unfortunately, the anti-vaccine movement has used this once-obscure database to spread misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine.”

        “Consequently, VAERS reports might not only document people’s negative experiences with vaccination, but also their attitudes toward vaccination.”

        “VAERS data could be seen as something of a double-edged sword. On one hand, it has been weaponized by the anti-vaccine movement and political actors on the right to sow doubt and distrust about COVID-19 vaccinations.”

        Claims of “misinformation” without debate/evidence is just cover for corporate censorship.

        The entire piece reads like corporate pharma propaganda I can summaries as: “Nothing to see here folks. Bunch of right-wing loonies, am I right? These vaccines are safe and effective.”

        It’s not just complaining about possible right-wing media data distortion, but casting doubt in the VARES system itself, which is the only signal we have for vaccine problems at the moment.

        • poVoqOP
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          -12 years ago

          It explains what the VAERS system was originally meant for and that it can not be reliably used to estimate vaccine side effects. Doing so is misinformation.

          But it seems you are too ideologically blinded to engage with normal scientific arguments :(

          • @craftingwithbits@lemmy.ml
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            12 years ago

            But it seems you are too ideologically blinded to engage with normal scientific arguments :(

            Lets not resort to making assumptions about one another or accusing each other of being ideologically blinded. That line of ad-hominem argumentation leads no where productive. I’m arguing the material you linked and citing evidence.

            You think using VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) to talk about vaccine adverse events is misinformation, and I disagree.

            • poVoqOP
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              12 years ago

              No I think the way the right-wing media is abusing the VAERS data for political gain is misinformation.

              If a scientific research project etc. is using it as some anecdotal evidence to plan actual research as it is entire purpose of the VAERS, that is totally fine.

              But that is all clearly and non-ideologically explained in the original article, so if that doesn’t convince you I honestly don’t know what else to tell you.

              Try to break out of your ideological bubble and use your own brain a bit more.

              • @craftingwithbits@lemmy.ml
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                12 years ago

                I see big pharma, fined billions of dollars for literally lying about product safety to make profit.

                I see corporate sponsored gov that lied us into Iraq war, Afghanistan war, denies us universal healthcare and education, has record numbers in prisons and homeless. Conducts covert actions to destabilize democratically elected govs they don’t like

                I see this big pharma, big gov and big tech unite to force their product into ppl, a process that can not be reversed, under threat of not being able to work or eat in a restaurant unless you comply.

                I see censorship of doctors, one who even has patents regarding the mRNA tech.

                I see denial of early treatment. Hospitals sending ppl home until symptoms worsen.

                Only signal we have for problems with vaccines, VAERS, is going off the charts.

                You want to ignore all that? Fine, your choice. I see a big problem here and I’m just stating my opinion. I won’t assume anything about your character or attack you personally. I don’t see the value in treating ppl that way.

                I’m fine having a disagreement with someone else and don’t take it too personally.