The brain geniuses over at reddit think Russia went deep into NATO territory to bomb their own pipeline, that they could shut off from their own side at any moment.
I’ve seen an absolutely beautiful lib take about the sabotage of Nordstream:
They admitted that it doesn’t really make any sense for Russia to do this, so Russia totally DID do it to seem more “unpredictable and crazy” and therefore make the threat of an escalation to nuclear warfare seem more credible. Perhaps they can use the heat generated by these kinds of mental gymnastics to keep warm during the winter.
The enemy is both calculating, strong, cunning, strategic, logical, has brilliant tactics, and at the same time unpredictable, nonsensical, emotional, short-sighted and weak.
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So basically both Russia and China… the enemy is everything and nothing at the same time, has to be some Zen shit.
4D chess :)
Bound to happen with people for whom Call of Duty has been the most formative experience in understanding international politics
Not even those dumb shooters have plots THIS dumb.
Biden: “If Russia invades…then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Reporter: “But how will you do that, exactly, since…the project is in Germany’s control?”
Biden: “I promise you, we will be able to do that.”
https://twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1574758480178999299
This was Nordstream 1 that got sabotaged, whereas Biden was referring to Nordstream 2. And Biden was referring to putting pressure on contractors that would be necessary to construct the pipe.
It’s both pipelines that got sabotaged, and US is the only country with a clear motive to do that as well as history of such sabotage.
Maybe it was actually the green party
/s
lol
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Both pipelines are damaged.
Biden was referring to putting pressure on contractors
🤨 ok buddy
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Maybe they used a pressure system to blow up the pipeline lmao
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Holy shit man your history is nothing but posting about the war
And always 100% for the NATO, even with most nonsense claims.
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That only means you are just even more pro-NATO than NATO itself is.
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You wrote it yourself lol.
cry ab it
Ah yes, Russia bombed its own bargaining chip playing 4D chess. You are very intelligent.
anon has an explanation
Looks like the US Navy was around Bornholm at the very time and place of the (alleged) sabotage: https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1574758898086694912
What a coincidence.
Meanwhile German mainstream media is already spewing out theories about Russian sabotage of their own pipeline and conveniently never mentions the actual prime suspect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8&t=81s
It’s the US Navy. If there’s international water, they’re probably there.
And if the Russians were sabotaging it, you don’t think the US would have seen them? Or the presence of the US have would have deterred them? Presumably in your mind they were already patrolling the pipeline for security. The US has been surprisingly silent on this haven’t they?
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This is Stockholm Syndrome to a tee.
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Super quick glance, /r/sweden/ thinks Russia did it. SVT isn’t pointing fingers yet.
I wonder who has a vested interest in making sure the EU doesn’t negotiate with Russia. I also wonder who’s been selling the EU gas at viciously inflated prices. Hmm…
Nonono you see, we have users below telling us that countries don’t act in their own interest anymore. US doesn’t sabotage russia-eu pipelines because that would be in their interest to do so. Russia does sabotage their own pipelines because its against their economic interests.
It makes perfect sense as long as you understand the guiding principle: “Russia bad”.
It is totally Russia, you see, because USA stands with Ukraine, and Cold War, Russia bad, China bad, and le Soviet technology and must balkanise them and denazification is a lie to conquer Ukraine and totally do Western expansion!
Did I sound like NATO libs?
No, not enough hypocrisy.
Sorry for not being a true lib, I just cannot be one you know. No matter how hard I try, cannot happen.
This is coming a week after Russia said they stopped a Ukrainian attack on energy infrastructure linking Russia to Turkey and the rest of Europe as the article mentions but for some reason doesn’t link to (and this is better to avoid the paywall anyway)
Interesting, but seeing as it’s Russia making the claim it could well just be disinformation.
Russia = untrustworthy, we all know that. /s
Seriously tho, what motivation would Russia have to bomb something that brings them profit? It makes as much sense as the US bombing its own gas pipelines.
What profit motive would Russia have to invade Ukraine, knowing there would be massive economic backlash? They’re not motivated by simple profit calculations at the moment. And it’s not like that pipeline is bringing them profit now. For that matter, it may never bring them profit again with a Europe that will be reluctant to return to relying on an unreliable source of energy.
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Ukraine has been invading and bombing the donbass with impunity since 2014, over 8k civilians killed in that time. Defending their border areas, and the lives of russian-speaking peoples, is a core strategic interest. Keeping those areas stable does help their profit in the long term. Why was Ukraine attacking the donbass, if that’s wrecking their country now?
And it’s not like that pipeline is bringing them profit now.
That’s the US’s goal, not Russia’s! Russia very much wants to continue selling gas via the pipelines.
on an unreliable source of energy.
When the US sabotages infrastructure projects, they’re “unreliable”. This is like saying I burned down your farm, so you must have no interest in keeping it since its unreliable.
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Why was Ukraine attacking the donbass, if that’s wrecking their country now?
Because there are separatists in the region who were obviously going to eventually “ask” to join Russia. Is Ukraine supposed to sit by idly while Russia takes more and more of its territory under the pretense of protecting Russian speakers? Are you aware of Hitler’s similar moves during WW2? This isn’t about economics, it’s about a country’s sovereignty.
When the US sabotages infrastructure projects, they’re “unreliable”. This is like saying I burned down your farm, so you must have no interest in keeping it since its unreliable.
That’s not what I mean when I say unreliable. I mean a source that becomes a security threat. It’s become clear that the Cold War and Russian imperialism never were truly over for some Russians, especially at the top.
Are you aware of Hitler’s similar moves during WW2?
You mean genociding russian-speaking ppls in eastern europe, exactly like what ukraine is doing? BTW the current Ukrainian government is erecting monuments to their nazi collaborators as fast as they can.
You mean genociding russian-speaking ppls in eastern europe, exactly like what ukraine is doing?
According to who, Russia? Putin? The man lies as easily as he breathes.
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“Russia bad. America good. I’m a free thinker. You’re a brainwashed tankie.”
I made no claims about America, but Russia is particularly bad when it comes to lies. Remember when all of this was starting and they were waving away a massive buildup of tanks as a training drill? Russia makes claims of genocide by Ukraine while denying well documented mass murder of Ukrainian civilians. It claims that US contractors are deploying chemical weapons in the Donbass region. Then there were the transparent lies around Flight MH17. The US lies from time to time, it is true. But Russia lies habitually in a firehose of misinformation to confuse between truth and fiction. It is like comparing Trump and his habitual lying with a more normal politicians occasional truth stretching. Not even the same league.
The US lies from time to time
If only I had your level of denial, then maybe I wouldn’t be so miserable living in the West.
You know what can definitely help you?
✨ Russian citizenship ✨
You think it’s that easy to immigrate anywhere? Trust me, if I could leave, I would. I can’t.
Also, loving your ability at nuance. Everyone who doesn’t hate Russia or defends them in any way worships Russia and wants nothing but to live there and lick the ground Putin walked on.
Look at that, turns out it’s not that hard… 👀
Honey. Is this the secret to all these eurolibs pretending that everything is fine?
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The plane was almost certainly shot down by separatists who mistakened it for a Ukrainian air force bomber. They then prevented any neutral third party from investigating.
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Russia waged Cold War on USA. Riiiiiight?
If only you showed the same level of skepticism when it comes to western propaganda.
If only you showed the same level of skepticism when it comes to western propaganda.
If only you showed the same level of skepticism when it comes to Russian propaganda.
Oh I do, there is plenty of wild stuff coming out of Russia that’s just as laughable as the stuff put out by the west.
Then maybe do me a solid and respond to some of the people here who are echoing Kremlin propaganda, eh?
Please be specific what it is you claim to be Kremlin propaganda in this thread and why.
Claims of genocide by the Ukrainian government. There have been no such efforts from the government. The worst I have seen in concrete terms is trying to force Russian speakers to use Ukrainian, and that had been limited. It’s mostly just fear mongering.
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